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In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnTlIM5QgE ^ | Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7

In Christ Alone lyrics

Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save

?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ


TOPICS: Prayer; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: reformation; savedbygrace
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To: mas cerveza por favor
You assert that God did not intend us to know the Apostolic traditions unwritten in scripture? On what evidence?

The burden of proof lies with the RC .. What proof do THEY have that the traditions they promote are FROM God?

Mar 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, [as] the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do

How do you know if a tradition is a tradition of God or men? What is your measuring rod?

2,001 posted on 11/15/2010 10:06:44 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: Iscool

INDEED.

2,002 posted on 11/15/2010 10:07:00 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: mas cerveza por favor; Quix; presently no screen name
Fine. I am a nobody. No doubt you enjoy the endless pictures of donkey lips and teeth on the religious forum. Please proceed as before and forget about my unruly interruption.

Seek the face of YHvH.

He can be found in His Holy Word.

Come away from the Traditions of man
which cloud the face of YHvH.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
2,003 posted on 11/15/2010 10:08:14 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Belteshazzar; metmom; presently no screen name; Iscool; Quix
I am going to quote something from my reference Bible as to this question:

{The Lord is called Mary's firstborn (Matt.1:25; Lk. 2:7), and the natural inference is that she had other children. The Gr. protokos is used only in Rom. 8:29; Col 1:15-18; Heb. 1:6; 11:28; 12:23; Rev. 1:5 of the first of many others. Had He been her only son, the word would have been monogenes, which occurs in Lk. 7:12; 8:42; 9:38; of human parentage of the "only son", "only daughter," and "only child"; and of the Lord Jesus as "the only begotten of the Father" (Jn. 1:14,18; 3:16,18; 1 Jn. 4:9).}

***********************************************************************{Dake's Annotated Reference Bible. page 67, NT, Col. 4, D.}

2,004 posted on 11/15/2010 10:09:45 AM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: RnMomof7

It appears that

IF THE SELFSERVING BUREAUCRATIC MAGICSTERICAL POWER-MONGERS SAY IT

the hogs in the wallow suck it up like candy.


2,005 posted on 11/15/2010 10:10:33 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: RnMomof7

RnMomof7 wrote:
“The burden of proof lies with the RC .. What proof do THEY have that the traditions they promote are FROM God?”

This is, first, a very important point. The burden of proof does lie with Rome. Just as the Bereans did not accept without consulting the Holy Scriptures of the OT what Paul was teaching. When they found that his teaching about the Christ was in perfect agreement with the Law (read: Torah of Moses) and the Prophets, they welcomed him for who he was. There is much to learn in this incident.

Second, this is a very good question. The very best proof, indisputable among Christians, would be agreement with the plain meaning of the Scriptures. Since what Rome calls “apostolic tradition” is so often in conflict with the plain meaning of the Scriptures, they are simply not believed.


2,006 posted on 11/15/2010 10:14:02 AM PST by Belteshazzar
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To: annalex; boatbums; The Theophilus; presently no screen name; metmom
Is it really the first time you ask me this? I handled this question half a dozen times on this thread alone. It would not be in the least sinful for Mary to have marital relations with St. Joseph. She remained virgin because she chose to; there was no obligation on her to do so.

How does the church know she stayed a virgin?

The answer is they do not.. This "tradition" is passed down from people that believed sex would somehow soil her.. make her human.

What I think is most noteworthy of the claim by the Roman church that Mary was a perpetual virgin is that it just does not matter..

The state of Mary's sex life has nothing to do with our salvation . She is not our savior, her sins have no impact on our salvation . She was a real flesh and blood human woman, there is not one thing in the plan of salvation that demanded she remain a virgin ..

2,007 posted on 11/15/2010 10:17:08 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: mas cerveza por favor

LOL! It’s nice we have your permission. (control and victim hood)


2,008 posted on 11/15/2010 10:18:24 AM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: smvoice

Quote away, smvoice. As I said, there are good arguments both ways. That is the problem. I, for one, am not going to presume to instruct the Holy Spirit on His choice of words. Word usage and context, both immediate and general, determine meaning, not simply what the dictionary entry says.

Coincidently, I too am both a firstborn son and a monogenes. Both are true. Deal with it.


2,009 posted on 11/15/2010 10:21:00 AM PST by Belteshazzar
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To: Iscool
If the RCs are right and the local RC gynecologists checked Mary out and found her to still be a virgin,

Besides that being such a vile statement by Catholics - it also, makes Mary defiled/groped/touched by man.
2,010 posted on 11/15/2010 10:22:25 AM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: presently no screen name

Like I said . . .


2,011 posted on 11/15/2010 10:23:42 AM PST by maryz
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To: Quix

It must be active enough because it bothers some. They want you to come down to their level of darkness.

God created animals, evil even hates that.


2,012 posted on 11/15/2010 10:27:17 AM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: Iscool; RnMomof7
Don't beat around the bush...You claim you got em'...Show em'...Let's see a list of the traditions that you guys got from the Apostles that were not recorded in scripture...

Two important traditions are apostolic succession and the infallibility Church councils certified by the pope. Of course these traditions are demonstrated in scripture fully verified by history. However, some Protestants assert that the biblical proof is not explicit enough and that historical evidence is inadmissible, even when the truth of said evidence is beyond question.

I could understand ruling out historical reports that were doubtful, but denying proven history amounts to denying truth. When such proven history concerns issues of Christian doctrine, the denial amounts to a rejection of true doctrine.

2,013 posted on 11/15/2010 10:29:59 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Belteshazzar

Thanks


2,014 posted on 11/15/2010 10:31:44 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: smvoice

I’ve worn out a Dakes or 3.

Great stuff.

Thanks.


2,015 posted on 11/15/2010 10:33:52 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: smvoice

PERFECT. It slices to bits the heresy teaching of the RCC about Mary.

“For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart”.


2,016 posted on 11/15/2010 10:35:54 AM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: annalex
That is true of nearly anything you read in the scripture, too, other than there was a caesar and a temple in Jerusalem. The rest you take on faith from the Church.

BUT Scripture is inspired and infallible..to have faith in the teachings of men is like Dorothy clicking her heels together to go back to Kansas

Catholics have to trust the word of men, no where supported in the scriptures.. the blind follow the blind and they all fall into the pit

2,017 posted on 11/15/2010 10:36:30 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: Belteshazzar

Second, this is a very good question. The very best proof, indisputable among Christians, would be agreement with the plain meaning of the Scriptures. Since what Rome calls “apostolic tradition” is so often in conflict with the plain meaning of the Scriptures, they are simply not believed.


ABSOLUTELY INDEED.


2,018 posted on 11/15/2010 10:37:53 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: mas cerveza por favor; Iscool
I believe the post said You claim you got em'...Show em'. and not what you think on the matter.
2,019 posted on 11/15/2010 10:39:07 AM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: presently no screen name

WELL PUT.

THX.


2,020 posted on 11/15/2010 10:39:29 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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