In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnTlIM5QgE ^ | Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

[RnMomof7]

In Christ Alone lyrics

Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save

?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ

[annalex]

To claim that Peter is the rock on which the church is built is wrong

These are words of Christ you have an argument with.

[The Theophilus]

Actually I need to amend that statement regarding the first “follow” to Peter, earlier I said that it meant that Peter wouldn’t follow our LORD to the cross. That is in error, what I meant to say is that the first “follow” was to Hades, where our LORD would suffer our sins, as saved by God, Peter would not follow our LORD to Hades, but in the resurrection, Peter would indeed follow Christ to Paradise.

[annalex]

It is not at all clear that "tabernacle" in 2 Cor 5:4 refers to the body osf a man. The passage speaks of two churches, one on earth, the other in heaven. See verse 1.

In any event, the intention to propagate the Petrine Office through time is clear from verses 15-16.

how you derived the "Apostolic Church" anything from this Scripture?

The Apostles are the "we" in verses 16-19.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

So we're not cookie cutter Christians. Big deal. We all agree on the fact that salvation is through faith in Christ alone. That's all that's needed for God to declare us righteous.

AMEN!

"The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel." -- Mark 1:15

[Dr. Eckleburg]

What do you think about JPII kissing the Koran?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

So what do you think about JPII kissing the Koran?

[Forest Keeper]

I noticed that nowhere do the Calvinists ever mention actually having to live the Gospels and put to practice the teachings of Jesus.

Perhaps it goes without mentioning? Of course we are to practice the teachings of Christ. Here is an excerpt from Calvin's Commentaries on:

1 Pet. 4:17 : And if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

When the faithful see that it is well with the wicked, they are necessarily tempted to be envious; and this is a very dangerous trial; for present happiness is what all desire. Hence the Spirit of God carefully dwells on this, in many places, as well as in the thirty-seventh Psalm, lest the faithful should envy the prosperity of the ungodly. The same is what Peter speaks of, for he shews that afflictions ought to be calmly borne by the children of God, when they compare the lot of others with their own. But he takes it as granted that God is the judge of the world, and that, therefore, no one can escape his hand with impunity. He hence infers, that a dreadful vengeance will soon overtake those whose condition seems now favorable. The design of what he says, as I have already stated, is to shew that the children of God should not faint under the bitterness of present evils, but that they ought, on the contrary, calmly to bear their afflictions for a short time, as the issue will be salvation, while the ungodly will have to exchange a fading and fleeting prosperity for eternal perdition.

But the argument is from the less to the greater; for if God spares not his own children whom he loves and who obey him, how dreadful will be his severity against enemies and such as are rebellious! There is, then, nothing better than to obey the Gospel, so that God may kindly correct us by his paternal hand for our salvation.

[mas cerveza por favor]

Unless you believe that killing non-Catholics isn't a sin.

Just war is not sinful. The Eastern Crusades stopped the Muslim advance from that direction for several centuries. The Iberian Crusades eventually rolled back the Muslims.

The Inquisition was confined to investigating public, baptized Catholics plotting to overthrow church and state. Public Jews and Muslims were outside the scope of the Inquisition and it did not operate in places like France or Germany were there were Protestants. Only those Catholics who did not repent were burned at the stake. This treatment was far more humane than the ripping out of the intestines of those English, Scottish, and Irish Catholics who refused to apostatize.

The Iberian Crusades could not have succeeded without the Inquisition. Aside from abuses that inevitably occur in war, how was any of this sinful?

[annalex]

This "translation" of yours is designed to obfuscate.

2 Peter
	English: Douay-Rheims	Greek NT: Byzantine/Majority Text (2000)
	2 Peter 1
12.	For which cause I will begin to put you always in remembrance of these things: though indeed you know them, and are confirmed in the present truth.	διο ουκ αμελησω αει υμας υπομιμνησκειν περι τουτων καιπερ ειδοτας και εστηριγμενους εν τη παρουση αληθεια
13.	But I think it meet as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance.	δικαιον δε ηγουμαι εφ οσον ειμι εν τουτω τω σκηνωματι διεγειρειν υμας εν υπομνησει
14.	Being assured that the laying away of this my tabernacle is at hand, according as our Lord Jesus Christ also hath signified to me.	ειδως οτι ταχινη εστιν η αποθεσις του σκηνωματος μου καθως και ο κυριος ημων ιησους χριστος εδηλωσεν μοι
15.	And I will endeavour, that you frequently have after my decease, whereby you may keep a memory of these things.	σπουδασω δε και εκαστοτε εχειν υμας μετα την εμην εξοδον την τουτων μνημην ποιεισθαι
16.	For we have not by following artificial fables, made known to you the power, and presence of our Lord Jesus Christ; but we were eyewitnesses of his greatness.	ου γαρ σεσοφισμενοις μυθοις εξακολουθησαντες εγνωρισαμεν υμιν την του κυριου ημων ιησου χριστου δυναμιν και παρουσιαν αλλ εποπται γενηθεντες της εκεινου μεγαλειοτητος
17.	For he received from God the Father, honour and glory: this voice coming down to him from the excellent glory: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.	λαβων γαρ παρα θεου πατρος τιμην και δοξαν φωνης ενεχθεισης αυτω τοιασδε υπο της μεγαλοπρεπους δοξης ουτος εστιν ο υιος μου ο αγαπητος εις ον εγω ευδοκησα
18.	And this voice we heard brought from heaven, when we were with him in the holy mount.	και ταυτην την φωνην ημεις ηκουσαμεν εξ ουρανου ενεχθεισαν συν αυτω οντες εν τω ορει τω αγιω
19.	And we have the more firm prophetical word: whereunto you do well to attend, as to a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:	και εχομεν βεβαιοτερον τον προφητικον λογον ω καλως ποιειτε προσεχοντες ως λυχνω φαινοντι εν αυχμηρω τοπω εως ου ημερα διαυγαση και φωσφορος ανατειλη εν ταις καρδιαις υμων
20.	Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation.	τουτο πρωτον γινωσκοντες οτι πασα προφητεια γραφης ιδιας επιλυσεως ου γινεται
21.	For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost.	ου γαρ θεληματι ανθρωπου ηνεχθη ποτε προφητεια αλλ υπο πνευματος αγιου φερομενοι ελαλησαν αγιοι θεου ανθρωποι

Peter was speaking of his earthly life ending and that the Christians' only authority was the sure words of the prophets (Holy Scripture) as it was directly from God

He was speaking of his life ending, but he also said that he will endeavor that the Church continues in the knowledge that the Apostles witnessed to be true. That is a promise to keep his office through generations.

just because Irenaeus used the word "catholic" to designate the universal body of Christ, it does not mean the organization that calls itself "Catholic" today is that church

St. Ignatius of Antioch, not Irenaeus. If you read the letter, sounds a lot like the Church today though. The Epistle of Ignatius to the Smyrnaeans. One Catholic distinctive that St. Ignatius points out is obedience to the bishops. The other is the belief inthe Holy Eucharist. Sounds familiar?

[presently no screen name]

What others thought about Jesus’s family does not prove they were biological children on Mary, but merely that they were from the same household.

It's MORE than a thought - they were from the community/neighbors - they knew Mary, Joseph, Jesus and his brothers and sisters. I'd say that is more proof than - you saying what 'you think'.

There is an AGENDA attached to the twisting of God's Word. To keep the counterfeit church from being exposed to those who have been caught up in it's deception. Catholics are more concerned about an organization than their OWN SOUL. The Vatican/RCC need co-dependents to survive.

There is no organization in heaven but individual souls, each one made a decision to follow Jesus only - HIS WAY by HIS WORD. Never man because satan uses man to fulfill his demonic desires - to rob as many from Christ, to kill any chance of having eternal life and destroy God's Kingdom for his own kingdom.


The Vatican/the RCC has an 'over the top' investment in their teachings on Mary so they NEED to twist Scripture. Deception breeds deception and more deception and it gets wider and wider to keep the lie alive.

"Enter through the narrow gate. For WIDE is the gate and broad is the road that leads to DESTRUCTION, and many enter through it". God's WORD is never changing, always the same now and forever - it is narrow and straight.

God's Word is Light. Darkness hates Light. God gave that Scripture to cast light on the heresy teachings about Mary. If Catholics walk away from that Scripture as It IS Written, and/or lean unto their own understanding, then they 'chose' to continue a dark walk.

God gave us everything we need in His Word. And without faith no one can please God. No faith in HIS WORD as It is Written, there is no pleasing God.

[metmom]

Petros (Peter) a stone or boulder, and petra (a large mass of rock) are not the same thing.

Apparently Peter missed the point as well when he wrote in 1 Peter 2: 4-8 that Jesus was the stone on which the church was built. Peter never claimed it for himself. If the Catholic church wrote the Bible, how could it make such a serious oversight?

1 Peter 2

4As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, 5 you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6For it stands in Scripture:

“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone,
a cornerstone chosen and precious,
and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”

7So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe,

“The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone,”

8and

“A stone of stumbling,
and a rock of offense.”

[smvoice]

To kill someone because they don’t believe as you do is not murder? What do you call it, then?

[metmom]

Catholics are incapable of seeing the distinction between good works that are the fruit of salvation, the proof to the world of the work of God in one’s live, and works as a means of earning salvation.

All they think people do good works for is to show off how much more spiritual they are than others.

Been there, done that and know LOTS of other Catholics who thought that way.

[presently no screen name]

Patience is a sign of error?

Why would you interpret it like that! Or anything else for that matter.

Catholic tends to lose balance because a serious response would require patience and time.

Losing balance is the problem because the foundation is built on sand. What is so hard to understand about that?

Serious response needs time? Like need time on how to twist Scripture and/or one's leaning on their own understanding. Again, built on sand.

[boatbums]

In junior high we used to have this saying, "He's not conceited, he's convinced!". Those who have been so indoctrinated, so deeply, would take a miracle of God to budge loose from what they are absolutely convinced of.

I would hope that any person sincerely seeking the truth of God's word will look up each of the so-called proof texts you have provided and see for themselves how convoluted and twisted each of them have been to conform to your religion's doctrines. Those who are "past hope" will only see whatever they are told to and will never grasp the infinite beauty, majesty and heartbreaking wonder of GRACE that our Lord has so richly poured upon us.

[presently no screen name]

It is important because it is the truth known to the Church from 1c, and truth matters.

Who is 'the church' - name names.

When you say 'truth' - you need to quote Scripture because it is ONLY in HIS WORD where truth resides.

[Judith Anne]

Is it completely beyond comprehension that someone could disagree with you, NOT be indoctrinated, have NO NEED to “budge loose” from what they are absolutely convinced of, and STILL grasp the infinte beauty, majesty and heartbreaking wonder of GRACE that our Lord has so richly poured upon us?

Is every Catholic convoluted and twisted to “conform” to what reformers THINK is our religion’s doctrines? What about those who come to the Salvation of Christ through the Catholic Church by the leading of the Holy Spirit? Do you deny that is possible?

[Judith Anne]

When you say 'truth' - you need to quote Scripture because it is ONLY in HIS WORD where truth resides.

When you quote Scripture, what translation, what version, what interpretation, "rightly divided" by whom?

[smvoice]

"Therefore if any man be in Christ he is a new creature; old things are passed away; behold all things are become new.

And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." 2 Cor. 5:17-21.

Here is our great commission.

[mas cerveza por favor]

What do you think about JPII kissing the Koran?

That was deplorable but not nearly as bad as his large-scale appointment of homosexuals to the episcopate. By the way, there is no real pedophile priest problem. Most all the abuses are against teenage boys, so the problem is with homosexuals, not pedophiles. The miracle of the Church is that it can survive popes like John Paul II.

Despite infestation of the hierarchy by homosexuals, the doctrine on morality has never changed. What protects Catholic teaching while mainline Protestant doctrine folds under similar pressure? It could only be the miraculous power of the Holy Spirit.

Holy Inquisition has renewed and restored the hierarchy repeatedly. It will eventually be brought back and the ranks of bishops and priests will be cleansed once again.