Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
In Christ Alone lyrics
Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;
In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save
?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ
Actually, that might just be want you want it to say, but it doesn't.
2 Peter 1:12-21 (New International Reader's Version)
12 So I will always remind you of these things. I'll do it even though you know them. I'll do it even though you now have deep roots in the truth. 13 I think it is right for me to remind you. It is right as long as I live in this tent. I'm talking about my body. 14 I know my tent will soon be removed. Our Lord Jesus Christ has made that clear to me. 15 I hope that you will always be able to remember these things after I'm gone. I will try very hard to see that you do. 16 We told you about the time our Lord Jesus Christ came with power. But we didn't make up stories when we told you about it. With our own eyes we saw him in all his majesty. 17 God the Father gave him honor and glory. The voice of the Majestic Glory came to him. It said, "This is my Son, and I love him. I am very pleased with him."—(Matthew 17:5; Mark 9:7; Luke 9:35) 18 We ourselves heard the voice that came from heaven. We were with him on the sacred mountain. 19 The word of the prophets is made more certain. We have that word. You must pay attention to it. It is like a light shining in a dark place. It will shine until the day Jesus comes. Then the Morning Star will rise in your hearts. 20 Above all, here is what you must understand. No prophecy in Scripture ever came from a prophet's own understanding. 21 It never came simply because a prophet wanted it to. Instead, the Holy Spirit guided the prophets as they spoke. So prophecy comes from God.
Peter was speaking of his earthly life ending and that the Christians' only authority was the sure words of the prophets (Holy Scripture) as it was directly from God.
And just because Irenaeus used the word "catholic" to designate the universal body of Christ, it does not mean the organization that calls itself "Catholic" today is that church. We can at least accept that true Christians exist within different denominations/organizations and that minor theological points should not cause dissension when we hold the major truths of Scripture in common.
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Just don’t hold your breath!
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The one organization which I’m aware of that insists that other believe as they do and are opposed to free speech or the freedom of religion for others, is the Catholic church who, at the order of the popes, ran the Inquisition and tortured and burned people to death for daring to state their opinion ....
You know, the ones who claim to be Christ’s representative here on earth.
The Catholic church has a dark past for most of its history.
He knew that his time was soon at hand.
I cannot even imagine how you ca make that stretch job.
Isn't it astounding how they seek a building made with the hands of men when the truth is right before their eyes in the word of God?
"Jesus answered and said unto them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." -- John 2:19
Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?" -- Hebrews 9:11-14 "But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Because I am an American. I think, most West European countries are in a similar need of an inquisition, but it is not for me to call for it.
Clean your own church, and leave the rest of us out of it.
Evidently like the White Hankys, they’re happy to spread the blood-letting all around.
It shouldn't matter what the Vatican proclaims to those who do not accept the primacy of the Bishop of Rome. Those who intrude or object in a matter that clearly, by their own admission, doesn't involve them are nothing more than nosy busybodies.
Christians - those who are 'in Christ' who believe in His Word ALONE for HE is The Living Word."
This accurately describes the Catholic Church because we believe in the entire revealed Word, inclusive of Apostolic Tradition. We reject your interpretations as incomplete and flawed and overly influenced by a stand alone view of the Letters of Paul and other unscriptural posings of the so-called reformation.
I personally have no interest in learning or exploring what you (pl) do or don't believe. I have no intention of leaving the Church begun by Christ Himself.
Can you ever stay on topic?
We ask for substantiation for RCC doctrine and you call us busybodies?
We point out the wide variety of beliefs that the Catholic church in practice teaches its parishioners, and you again call us busybodies?
How about trying to address the topic instead of resorting to the tactic of losers of debates, resorting to name calling and strawmen?
All that's needed is the WRITTEN word, not the fairy tales that the Catholic church added later and CLAIMS are truth that no one can substantiate from an objective source.
RCC tradition says that tradition is equal to Scripture in authority.
How convenient.....
“I don’t think Henry VIII’s character requires any additional assassination.”
Nevertheless you’ll serve up a bit more. I’ll take your advice for what’s its worth.
annalex wrote:
“Now, didn’t you just long for reason in debate? Re-read you post, and improve on it, with that in mind, please.?
OK. I can’t improve on it. It left you pretty much without a response.
But Jefferson was a man of incredible intellect and insight. His characterization of the Presbyterian and Calvinist temperament and disposition towards tolerance of contrary views was spot on. They were insufferable 250 years ago and they remain so today. When ever they have establish numeric superiority they have moved quickly to impose their beliefs on everyone else. They are the antithesis of the freedoms that make America unique.
Even in a forum that is dedicated, in theory, to discussing religion, they shout down opposing views and insist that their faulty interpretations of scripture and the beliefs of other religions are accepted over objective evidence to the contrary. Far too often the resort to insults, lies, fabrications and innuendo to make their point when the truth fails them. It would be funny if it weren't so serious and sad.
On his best day Spurgeon was a verbose anti-Catholic bigot who had no concept of humility.
That is a perverse statement coming from those who conduct a daily Inquisition whose purpose is to impose a Calvinist orthodoxy to the Religion Forum and rid it of any Catholic influence or voice. Thank God the most rabid strains of Calvinism are disappearing like a bad smell on a windy day.
On his best day Spurgeon was a verbose anti-Catholic bigot who had no concept of humility.
I've yet to meet a Catholic yet who exhibited humility. Most of them are arrogant and condescending to an appalling degree.
FRoman Catholics are no exception.
There's not a Catholic in the world who can justifiably complain about persecution with the history the Catholic church has had for hundreds of years.
I'm sorry that you seem to perceive that not receiving the answer you demand is not staying on topic. Try to keep up.
annalex wrote:
“If the Church had not needed the scripture, she would not have given it to the world. But, self-evidently, the Church would have done fine if for some reason the scripture were not around, just like she did in the beginning of her existence. The Church that Christ built is the foundation of the scripture, not the other way around.”
ROTFLMAO
She gave it to the world? That is going to come as news to God, the Author of the Holy Scriptures. When was the last time anyone called the Holy Scriptures the “Word of the Church”? The Catholic claim to have produced the Scriptures is as laughable as the Baptist’s to have “invited Jesus” into their heart. Again, as I pointed out in an earlier post, you and the chief priests, elders, and scribes share much in common when it comes to God. Be thankful, O son of Rome, that God is long-suffering and slow to anger.
Some people seem to bring out the worst in others. Ever wonder why?
annalex wrote:
“We are in harmony with the Holy Scripture as written.”
In your dreams ...
It is a very tangible reality. Catholics experience God with all of our senses.
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