How much scripture are we talking about, exactly? Are we talking more then 27.5%?
Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
In Christ Alone lyrics
Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;
In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save
?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ
I've heard some crazy theories before, but that ranks right up there!
But really, has any catholic ever pointed to a specific scripture reference, and expounded on exactly how it supports their doctrine?
I can't ever recall that happening.
You mean the same Paul that said "Absent from the body is present with the Lord?"
But we don't understand, because we don't have the ability to IMPLICITY see what the Scriptures are saying. It's not what they SAY, it's what they say between the lines that matter, you see..
We don’t understand because when we read something, we think it means what it says, because the writers said what they meant.
Those are amazing links. Gotta spend some time reading them. Thanks, Alex.
How much scripture are we talking about, exactly? Are we talking more then 27.5%?
And we also trust the fact that God said there is simplicity in Christ. I guess that means it’s just too simple to understand..
1 Corinthians 1 18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”
20 Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22 Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.
26 Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27 But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28 God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, 29 so that no one may boast before him. 30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31 Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”
"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Cor. 2:14.
This is what happens when you use a "modern" 'Bible.'
That is a grossly incorrect translation. The correct tense is past, not present perfect. "...to us who are saved..."
That one deliberate mistranslation is sufficient reason to throw that thing ion the fireplace and buy a real bible.
For example, believing that Mary was sinless, as the dogma of the “Immaculate Conception” states. Whether I accept this or not has no bearing on my salvation according to Scripture. Yet it is one of only a few extra-Biblical “ex-cathedra” doctrines proclaimed by the Magesterium that they say one MUST believe or be excommunicated, and therefor, condemned to hell.
I have come to believe that arguing issues other than what is required to be saved is pointless and used by Satan as a distraction from the main issue which is, “What must I do to be saved?”. "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ" is the answer, and until that sinks in and becomes real in a person's life and they are indwelt by God's Holy Spirit, no other things of God can ever make sense.
It's worse than that...It not only doesn't mean what it says, it does say what it says...
They don't have a clue what the scriptures say and it really bugs them when we tell them that we know what it says...It says what it says and it means what it says...
The Church in Mt 16 is defined as the Church that Christ builds, in some sense, on the person of St. Peter, to whom the Father reveals the divine sonship of Christ. It is then a church that is orthodox in doctrine and in communion with the Pope.
The Church is said to prevail against Hell, that is bring people to salvation.
I think NIV is the default setting on the online source I use.
Seems to me that I saw that there’s a 2010 version of the NIV out. I haven’t heard about it and don’t know wnything about it.
I’ve been going with the ESV. I’ve heard that’s fairly accurate.
I recall one couple I knew where the wife was saved and the husband was still Catholic but willing to learn about Scripture.
When he heard there was no Scriptural support for purgatory, he was furious. Furious that the RCC would have lied to him.
Until someone is willing to acknowledge that there’s the possibility of error in their church doctrine, they will accept man’s word and remain impervious to the truth of GOD’S Word.
Papal primacy among the bishops is clear from the scripture as I show below. Papal infallibility is a finer doctrine, that says that in some extreme circumstance the Pope can overrule even the bishops in council. That development of doctrine came after the Holy Scripture was written by the Catohlic Church. It was proclaimed in the first Vatican Council in 19c. It could be inferred from the second quote, of Luke 22, where St. Peter is said to have a special prayer of Christ to not fail in faith and confirm his fellow bishops.
[15] Jesus saith to them: But whom do you say that I am? [16] Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. [17] And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. [18] And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. (Matthew 16)[28] And you are they who have continued with me in my temptations: [29] And I dispose to you, as my Father hath disposed to me, a kingdom; [30] That you may eat and drink at my table, in my kingdom: and may sit upon thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. [31] And the Lord said: Simon, Simon, behold Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: [32] But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and thou, being once converted, confirm thy brethren. (Luke 22)
What seems to be insinuated here is people should accept the doctrine and beliefs of the catholic church on faith alone ...
Unless God gives you faith, you won't believe even if one came from the dead and told you. However, the Church invites every believer to examine her teachings for consistency both internally, with reason, and with the scripture and satisfy himself before coming to the faith.
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