Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
In Christ Alone lyrics
Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;
In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save
?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ
The only game that is being played is the one that claims Protestant moral superiority in the European power politics of the day. For the pretense of reform to be valid the reformers would have to have broken from the practices they supposedly left behind. Clearly not the case.
As with all human institutions we will not have better institutions until we have better men and women. Neither side has exclusive ownership of purity or evil intention. That does not in anyway diminish the God they both claim to worship, but themselves.
Sensible response ... at last. There is little point in playing “gotcha” with sinful humanity. Everyone is going to get got. The Reformation had the impact it had and continues to have because it was chiefly about doctrine and not about morals. Discussion is best kept to doctrine, in my opinion.
So, good. Maybe we can forgo play gotcha for a while. (I have no hope that it has permanently disappeared from FR, or anywhere else.)
Metmom...A bit off subject but here’s the Pope “embracing” a statue. Posting this because catholics say they don’t do such things as an act of worship...well in front of 6,ooo people he is indeed ‘embracing’ a statue. Just annoys me no end the obvious is obvious to everyone else except the catholics....Embracing shrines/statues is exactly what the pagans did and God said don’t do this.
An estimated 6,000 people attended the open-air Mass in the shadow of Santiago’s ornate cathedral, where Benedict prayed before the apostle James’ tomb, embraced his statue.........
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101107/ap_on_re_eu/eu_pope_10
There are 345 pictures at that link....
But I did notice he has quite the nice ride.....
Agreed. I have no animosity towards Protestants of sincere faith. I have Protestants in my family and within my close circle of friends. It's the militantly anti-Catholic prejudice I see on these threads that provokes my responses.
Natural Law wrote:
“It’s the militantly anti-Catholic prejudice I see on these threads that provokes my responses.”
I will not deny the existence of militant anti-Catholicism here or anywhere else. However, three things about that:
First, there is also militant anti-Protestantism (which doesn’t so much trouble me, because being Lutheran (real Lutheran as opposed to ELCA pseudo-Lutheran) I don’t consider myself “Protestant.” That term is, historically speaking, a pejorative (of Roman origin) that emphasizes “anti-Catholic” at the expense of “pro-Apostolic.”. Unfortunately, there exists a real tit-for-tat attitude on the part of many, both Catholic and Protestant, that more often contributes smoke and no light.
Second, it is one thing to be provoked and another to provoke. I will readily admit that I lose patience with provocateurs from time to time, and fail to exercise proper self-control (no wonder it is identified as a fruit of the Spirit - it is not natural to fallen man!!!). The bitter truth is that provocation on anyone’s part is less than helpful, no matter what the circumstances.
Third, you must realize - as you yourself admitted - that “Protestants of sincere faith” exist, just as Catholics of sincere faith exist (and by sincere I mean those who really do believe in the God who has revealed Himself in the Holy Scriptures of OT and NT). Some of them even inhabit these cyber spaces. They are as sincere as you are. They love their Lord and Savior, no matter what you may or may not think about that. They know He is God and Lord who became man to save us. Sometimes they too fall victim to the same passions that you and I do, and say too much, say to little, say poorly, say in anger, say in frustration ... whatever. If you are a mature Christian who recognizes sincere faith in the one Triune God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, then recognize that this is true.
In the end, it all seems to break down to whether Man is saved by Christ Thru Faith in His sacrifice on the Cross, by putting on Christ’s perfect Righteousness(imputation) OR by trying to make attain(cooperation) your own righteousness with the help of Christ’s Grace, mediated only thru the Church.
And 500 years worth of flakes...
Very good. I could not have described the revolution that Luther brought more fittingly.
The Parable very clearly shows the necessity of accepting the love of Christ. If one does not accept Christ and His offer of eternal salvation, why then, one does not get it. Those who prate about OSAS or the writing in the book of Life (against Scripture, by the way) as meaning assurance of salvation, remember this: the Prodigal Son had it all and he was saved at that point, but he chose to throw it away. If he had not come back, then, pfft, his salvation also went away and would not have come back.
More fool him.
You have no idea what a Protestant is and I'm not about to educate you.
Any of the various children of the Reformation, and their various legitimate and illegitimate children. I include the LDS and JWs in there because they are the construction and the creation of second and third generation (with some influence from later descendents) Protestants and they would not have come into being without Martin Luther and John Calvin. I suppose that everyone's weird old uncle Zwingli ought to be credited in there somewhere as well.
Sorry, I will not accept it. That is a perfectly hideous tie and I would not be seen with a Calvinist in it.
The Smithsonian not good enough?
We are occasionally antagonists, but not enemies. When you preach the word of God, I will agree with you.
Emotional drive overwhelms logic any day. Look at any single minded power seeker for evidence.
The propagandists that populate these threads indeed procede about their task illogically, but Protestantism as a whole is a product of the logical German mind.
The love of power overwhelms logic any day - even the German mind. Look at Erich Honecker in East Germany for evidence of that.
Negative. Nobody was sent to kill Luther. Luther lived a very ostentatious manor, with bondservants and indentured farm workers on his large estate. If you have proof, present it. Otherwise, please retract this rather idiotic statement.
Yes, it si affirmed. Nothing the Church teaches contradicts the scriptures. Which shouldn't be surprising since it is he Church who wrote the New Testament and assembled, canonized and explained the Old.
The Protestant heresies, however, do not pass the same test, as foundational Protestant errors of Faith Alone and Scripture Alone are both cotnradicted by the scripture.
Oh, that is easy to know. both Luther and Calvin taught contrary to the scripture. You don't need Rome to tell you that, it is self-evident. For example, the scripture directly cotnradicts Faith Alone in James 2, and it directly contradicts Bible Alone in Matthew 18.
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