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To: armydoc
My bad

Never, ever do it again...

That's NOT what the Catholic Church teaches!

You are a Catholic bishop to know that?

The purgatorial suffering is not paying for any sin. It is a residual effect of a sin already confessed to and absolved by Christ.

Har.

Well, you may find it amusing, but the situation is this. The Church, after she gave you the Holy Scripture, never stopped in her teaching authority. So it is true that there are things that the Church teaches that do not have a direct description in the scripture. For example, the exact manner of worship, veneration of saints, social teaching in the modern world are all things outside of the immediate scope of the Scripture. However, if the scripture teaches something, so does the Catholic Church. Our beliefs are in harmony with the scripture. The Protestant nonsense, however, proclaims itself a consequence of the scripture alone. Yet, the foundational Protestant doctrines of Sola Fide and Sola Scriptura are themselves not in the scripture and in fact contradict it. They are traditions of men Jesus warned against. It is indeed quite comical.

59 posted on 11/02/2010 6:50:16 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
You are a Catholic bishop to know that?

I am not a Catholic bishop. Then again, neither are you, as far as I know. What's your point?

The purgatorial suffering is not paying for any sin.

"It must be emphasized that the primary reason for temporal punishment is to make satisfaction for sin. The Council of Trent emphasizes that the penitents should keep in mind that “the satisfaction imposed by them is meant not merely as a safeguard for the new life and as a remedy to weakness, but also as vindicatory (i.e. avenging) punishment for former sins.” (Council of Trent, Session 14, Chapter 8). The penitent must “fully satisfy the justice of God.” Satisfaction (or penance) is an act of the penitent “by which he makes certain reparation to the justice of God for his sins” (See The Catechism off St. Pius X, questions 105,118)"

from http://www.justforcatholics.org/a166.htm

Take a look at the bolded sections above. Make satisfaction for sin. Punishment for former sins. Reparation to the justice of God for sins. All of these could be said of Christ's work. So, let Christ pay the price (through an indulgence) or pay it yourself through suffering. Equally efficacious. Blasphemous and nauseating.
60 posted on 11/02/2010 7:13:37 PM PDT by armydoc
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