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To: allmendream; Alamo-Girl; OldNavyVet; Diamond; xzins; Quix; r9etb; TXnMA; MHGinTN; spirited irish
A God that doesn't have control of “random” processes and include such in HIS ways is neither the God of Nature or the God of the Bible.

The first time a human's unique DNA structure was formed was when their parents' DNA was randomly shuffled together.

Well I certainly agree with your first statement, allmendream! But what is this "random shuffling" of the parents' DNA? Do not the parents choose each other (i.e., male–female bonding, leading them to mate) before they have offspring?

Can a choice be classified as a random phenomenon?

Are you arguing that mating behavior is random — "haphazard, purposeless" — at the parents' level, because choice implies free will, and free will is an illusion? That procreation is an utterly "blind," mechanistic, deterministic process in nature? That the DNA inheritance an offspring receives is purely a matter of accident (i.e., of "random shuffling")?

77 posted on 11/01/2010 11:16:32 AM PDT by betty boop (Seek truth and beauty together; you will never find them apart. — F. M. Cornford)
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To: betty boop

Interestingly . . . partners TEND to pair up in lasting mating relationships . . .

who

—somewhat resemble the opposite sex parent

—have as good a bi-symetry as ‘the market’ can purchase

—opposite pheremone signals

—which correlate with opposite DNA factors

—which correlate with maximum immune system robustness in the offspring.

Sounds like design, to me.


78 posted on 11/01/2010 11:24:41 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: betty boop
I am talking about Mitotic recombination.

When a man makes sperm or a woman makes an egg, the DNA they got from mom and dad (soon to be grandma and grandpa) that in their body are separated into mom's chromosome #1-23 and dad's chromosomes #1-23 - are shuffled randomly together.

If there are two genes close to each other on the same chromosome there will be a genetic “distance” calculated in centi-Morgans that will reflect how likely there is to be a “crossing over” event swapping the DNA between the two.

If, for example, there is a 70 centi-Morgan distance between two linked genes, then in 70% of the offspring the two genes will not go together and in 30% of the offspring the genes will still be associated together.

Obviously nature loves randomness. Random shuffling of the variable region of an antibody enables the body to “search” the design space of 3-D structure such that it can create an antibody that can bind to every conceivable 3-D structure.

Obviously random changes with an associated selection process (whereby self binding antibodies are eliminated) is a very POWERFUL mechanism.

On the subject you raise (not at all what I was talking about) Geneticists have LONG known that you cannot assume that two people that are mated/married are going to be as genetically distinct as two random people.

People mate assortively for a host of traits that include the obvious (height, intelligence, education) but also things like mid digital hair and incisor length.

I have checked out many a fine woman over the years, and yet I have NEVER said “did you check out the incisor length on THAT babe?”

80 posted on 11/01/2010 11:36:01 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: betty boop
LOLOL! The thought of men and women unwillingly, randomly having sex is hilarious.

Thank you for sharing your insights, dearest sister in Christ!

99 posted on 11/02/2010 8:04:10 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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