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To: OldNavyVet; Alamo-Girl; r9etb; Diamond; hosepipe; spirited irish; TXnMA; marron; xzins
OldNavyVet, just take a look at this article, "Darwin: Brilliantly Half-Right; Tragically Half-Wrong", by Perry S. Marshall.

Of course I agree with you that change applies to everything in the phenomenal or material universe. Things are constantly changing all the time. But what on earth is a "randomly predictable change?" Your argument appears to be strictly, relentlessly deterministic.

Whatever. What Marshall wants to know is —

Is the formula

Random Mutation + Natural Selection + Time = Design

Mathematically true, or false? ...

This is Darwin's formula for biological evolution. But does it hold water?

DNA is a blueprint for life. It’s a code and a language. It has an alphabet (A = Adenine, G = Guanine, T = Thymine, C = Cytosine) and that alphabet spells out the instructions for everything. So the question is:

Can Random Mutation add information to DNA?

To analyze this question, Marshall invokes Claude Shannon's information theory. And he finds that "random mutation" is "noise" with respect to DNA. Noise in a communication system degrades the message being communicated. That is, it doesn't add new, useful information, it just degrades the information being communicated. In short, mutations are deleterious, not the source of a "new and improved" biological individual/species.

[Alamo-Girl, you are going to love this article!]

Marshall asks, "has any advocate of Darwinian evolution ever proven that random mutation can increase information?" The answer evidently is: No.

It’s interesting to note that the fanatical atheist Richard Dawkins, perhaps the most famous living proponent of Evolutionary theory, has never answered this question either — in fact he has studiously avoided it. There’s an article [http://trueorigins.org/dawkinfo.asp] where this question was posed to Dawkins, and even though six years have gone by, he never answers it. The answer he does give is a smoke-and-mirrors example at best.

Somehow, I don't find that surprising at all. But what it all boils down to is this:

But there’s one kind of design that does not occur naturally, so far as anyone knows:

What does NOT occur naturally is CODES. [DNA is a CODE.]

Symbolic codes of any kind — things that contain language, a message, or information, any arrangement of symbols that represent something other than itself — do not happen naturally. Blueprints, languages, ciphers, encoding / decoding mechanisms all come from a mind.

Just as there are no exceptions to the law of gravity, or the laws of entropy, there are no exceptions to this.

There is vast difference, in fact an infinite chasm, between a pattern and a code. Patterns occur naturally [e.g., "Snowflakes, Tornados and Hurricanes, Weather, Stalagmites and Stalactites, Rivers, Sand Dunes, And much more"], codes do not. All codes contain patterns, but not all patterns contain codes. Codes can only come from a mind. There are no known exceptions to this.

Just a little food for thought!

Thanks so much for writing, OldNavyVet!

28 posted on 10/29/2010 12:21:04 PM PDT by betty boop (Seek truth and beauty together; you will never find them apart. — F. M. Cornford)
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To: betty boop
Is the formula

Random Mutation + Natural Selection + Time = Design

Mathematically true, or false? ...

Mathematictally close ..

My evaluation, considering Darwin's total avoidance of the word "evolution" in "Origin of the Species" (Jones, page 298), would be

Mutation + Natural Selection + Time = Evolution

33 posted on 10/29/2010 1:02:10 PM PDT by OldNavyVet (One trillion days, at 365 days per year, is 2,739,726,027 years ... almost 3 billion years)
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; Whosoever
[ Random Mutation + Natural Selection + Time = Design ]

Could be the source of dark energy/matter is emitted from black holes.. designated matter falls in to it and UN-designated matter comes out.. closing the "loop"..

Could also be some structure "in" the dark energy/matter "fields" that we cannot presently "see" (like a black hole) that does the reverse.. Meaning making/creating(transforming) dark energy/matter from UN-designated energy/matter into designated..

40 posted on 10/29/2010 4:20:42 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: betty boop; Dr. Eckleburg
Symbolic codes of any kind — things that contain language, a message, or information, any arrangement of symbols that represent something other than itself — do not happen naturally. Blueprints, languages, ciphers, encoding / decoding mechanisms all come from a mind.

Outstanding! Thank you so much for highlighting this very important observation by Perry Marshall.

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. - Genesis 1:3

By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. - Psalms 33:6

The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. [There is] no speech nor language, [where] their voice is not heard. – Psalms 19:1-3

God's Name is I AM.

47 posted on 10/30/2010 9:44:01 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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