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To: betty boop
Wow. Your letter is a tour de force against naturalism.org or what "A" calls "scientific materialism." Thank you so very much, dearest sister in Christ!

Truly, you've touched on every aspect of the debate. I look forward to the comments to see where the interests might be. For now, I only have two points to raise.

First is qualia - love, hate, joy, pain and so on - which can be experienced but not conveyed. A computer cannot be programmed to experience qualia. It is a phenomenon of autonomy in nature that has no materialistic explanation and thus the naturalist's defense is to deny qualia exists in the first place.

Second is the term "random" which as you have pointed out is inappropriate to use with reference to a system when one does not know what the system "is." Since the number and types of dimensions are both unknown and unknowable, it is inappropriate to say a phenomenon is random in nature. The proper term is "unpredictable."

The word "unpredictable" does not preclude as yet unknown causation and can be applied without reference to what the system "is."

Sadly, the term "random" has been misused in science for so long it would be difficult to correct. Nevertheless as we discussed on another thread recently, ideologues must not control the dictionary.

15 posted on 10/28/2010 10:10:37 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; OldNavyVet; Diamond; xzins; Quix; r9etb; TXnMA
Sadly, the term "random" has been misused in science for so long it would be difficult to correct. Nevertheless as we discussed on another thread recently, ideologues must not control the dictionary.

Oh so very true, dearest sister in Christ!

Control the speech, control the argument....

But in science, this strikes me as "cheating!"

Thank you so very much for your outstanding observations — and for your kind words of support!

36 posted on 10/29/2010 2:09:05 PM PDT by betty boop (Seek truth and beauty together; you will never find them apart. — F. M. Cornford)
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To: Alamo-Girl
it is inappropriate to say a phenomenon is random in nature

I think it's correct to say that "any extremely unusual or extraordinary thing or occurence" is a random phenomenon.

39 posted on 10/29/2010 2:29:45 PM PDT by OldNavyVet (One trillion days, at 365 days per year, is 2,739,726,027 years ... almost 3 billion years)
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