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To: NEMDF
Do you know, what are “the hosts of the dead” that he supposedly saw? Just wondering. Thank you.

Yes.

He claims he saw his father, Hyrum Smith, brother of Joseph Smith, who died in a shootout in a Nauvoo jail. (Hyrum was immediately shot in the face by somebody outside the cell...but he also had a back wound nobody could explain as the trajectory could not have come from outside...and his brother, Joseph, was wielding two pistols at the time)

Also, per George S. Tate, Mormon author published by BYU, who was citing Lds Doctrine & Covenants 138: First it shows us the vast concourses of the dead: In verse 11, for example, it refers to “the hosts of the dead, both great and small”, verse 12 an “innumerable company”, verse 18 “vast multitude”, verse 38 “vast congregation”, verse 57 “the great world of the spirits of the dead.” Source: www.byub.org/talks/Download.aspx?id=2672&md=pdf

And in v. 57 of D&C 138, Smith references "faithful elders" (Lds missionaries) as among the mix...and what a mix it is...because Lds authors say they included both the "just...spirits" as well as "...the gospel preached to those who had died in their sins...having rejected the prophets."
Source: The Doctrine of Temple Work

So Smith said he saw "just" and rebel spirits alike.

11 posted on 10/26/2010 2:35:13 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Seekers of truth,

If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There’s an anti-Mormon group of people here that spends a great deal of their time attacking the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They post regurgitated propaganda on an almost daily basis.

They have a misguided obsession. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. The straw man argument is a big favorite and is frequently preceded by cherry-picking quotes or other material. After the “quotation” the attacker will misrepresent what has been said or what was meant and then attack their own interpretation.

They will of course insist ad nauseum that they are merely using our sources and are therefore innocent of any deceptive practice. LDS persons have no issue whatsoever having our scriptures or leaders quoted as long as it is presented fairly and accurately. This is rarely (if ever) done.

Another favorite is posting scripture or statements which on their own really present no dilemma. They make something out of nothing while never bringing up a single objection that hasn’t been addressed a hundred times before.

You might note a couple of other tactics used to try to antagonize is the use of disrespectful or insulting terms or language and/or pictures. That’s a Christlike thing to do right? Yeah I don’t think so either. It does speak volumes about them though.

Sometimes they cruise the headlines of the day seeking any story that might be twisted into making the Church look bad. Anything will do, just watch the progression of posts following it and see what I mean.

After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever “issue” they seem to be “revealing” or “exposing”. I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the “ahah” moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to cleverly twist and attack and will likely chuckle the more you see. In actuality, there’s nothing new here. It’s all been addressed many times before.

Here’s a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. I have found that the vast majority of the “issues” brought up can be found and addressed at http://www.fairlds.org/ but here’s more:

http://scriptures.lds.org/
http://www.lds.org
http://www.fairlds.org/
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/index.html
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.answeringantimormons.com/index.htm
http://promormon.blogspot.com/

Now you will likely notice the “you never address our points” posts pop up as usual. All after providing the answers just as you have here.

Sometimes it is claimed that these sites present a needle in a haystack. Far from it. But if you give up before you try you won’t know will you?

Will you wear blinders too? Seek truth. Find out for yourself. Want to chat with someone on any topic? A few of these sites provide just that. So do your homework sincere seeker of truth. Listen and read from both “sides”. Make up your own mind.

I witness to you of these truths and wish you the best, in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.

PD


12 posted on 10/26/2010 3:20:10 PM PDT by Paragon Defender
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