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To: MsLady
When the bible says, without works your faith is dead. God’s saying, actions speak louder then words. If you love God, you will do the works. We can not work our way to heaven, so no man can boast.

Yes, as somebody as succinctly said: Faith works.

In marriage, a faithful spouse puts that faithfulness into action.

And why did God say, by grace you are saved and not by works

Yes. Joseph Smith pitted works vs. grace in this infamous Book of Mormon passage (there's another similar redefinition of grace in the Mormon book of Helaman): "Ye are saved by grace,
AFTER
ALL
YOU
can do (2 Nephi 25:23)

So, how much does the Mormon have to do?
ALL he/she can do?
How much is that?
ALL that he/she can do!

Does grace really kick in before that, if we take the verse at face value?
No. Not until a Mormon has done ALL they can do...you see, there's the problem of that word, "after"

So the key Q:
What Mormon can say...
"I've done everything spiritually I can do"???
"I've done everything physically I can do"???
"I've done everything emotionally I can do"???
"I've done everything relationally I can do"???
"I've done everything attitudinally I can do"???
"I've done everything obedience-wise and ordinance-wise I can do"???

Boy, what a legalistic treadmill that all is! And to think Mormons who take this verse at face value then feel how they need to always prompt God's grace by first doing ALL they can do!

But that's not grace. Grace is free. It's unearned. It's unmerited. It's Undeserving. It's not based upon man's track record, but upon God's eternal Loving Kindness, forgiveness, mercy, and compassion.

The emphasis is upon Who HE IS and how that transmits down to us here.

12 posted on 10/26/2010 6:50:04 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Exactly, we can not earn grace. Grace is a gift.

We are no surprise to God when we fail. He isn't in heaven going, oh no, I had no idea he/she was going to do that. You repent if you sin and move on, hopefully learning from the experience.

88 posted on 10/26/2010 12:28:57 PM PDT by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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