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To: verga

>>It is the Baptism that Saves you because if your view was correct all men would be saved since Jesus came and died that all men might be saved Loose translation if 1 Tim 2:4.<< (I corrected your fat finger hitting the b) hehe

There you go taking verses out of context again. He died that all men might be saved means that it’s available to all men. All men will not be saved because all men will not believe.

Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved-and your house.

>>And 1 Peter tells us that the “little extra” is Baptism.<<
If you believe that something in addition to Jesus death and resurrection is needed to be saved you are saying that Jesus sacrifice was not perfect but that it needed adding to. You would also deny the salvation of hundred during Bible times who were saved but not Baptized including the thief on the Cross.

You may be interested that (if you are Catholic) your own Churches Catechism teaches that Baptism is not required for Salvation.


104 posted on 10/25/2010 2:25:36 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
There you go taking verses out of context again. He died that all men might be saved means that it’s available to all men. All men will not be saved because all men will not believe.

I am taking it at face value, you are adding to it >>And 1 Peter tells us that the “little extra” is Baptism.<< If you believe that something in addition to Jesus death and resurrection is needed to be saved you are saying that Jesus sacrifice was not perfect but that it needed adding to. You would also deny the salvation of hundred during Bible times who were saved but not Baptized including the thief on the Cross.

You are contradicting your self. First you say that Jesus death is sufficient, then you say that you need to beleive in him as well. That is a contradiction (whether you admit it or not.

Now the Bible does tell us that we must "add" to Christ's death:

The principle of lifting up our sufferings for the sake of someone's good comes from Colossians 1:24: "Now I rejoice in what was suffered for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ's afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the Church."

That being said we must add our obiedience and that includes but is not limited to Baptism, (whether it is baptism or blood, Desire, or water.)

109 posted on 10/25/2010 4:37:32 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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