Michael Ash: Ventilators and illuminators in Noah's Ark and Jaredite barges [Mormon, LDS open]

The Mormon Times ^ | 18 Oct 2010 | Michael Ash

[Paragon Defender]

Undecided readers,

If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There’s an anti-Mormon group of people here that spends a great deal of their time attacking the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They post regurgitated propaganda on an almost daily basis.

They have a misguided obsession. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. The straw man argument is a big favorite and is frequently preceded by cherry-picking quotes or other material. After the “quotation” the attacker will misrepresent what has been said or what was meant and then attack their own interpretation.

Another favorite is posting scripture or statements which on their own really present no delemma. They make something out of nothing while never bringing up a single objection that hasn’t been addressed a hundred times before.

Sometimes they cruise the headlines of the day seeking any story that might be twisted into making the Church look bad. Anything will do, just watch the progression of posts following it and see what I mean.

After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever “issue” they seem to be “revealing” or “exposing”. I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the “ahah” moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to cleverly twist and attack and will likely chuckle the more you see. In actuality, there’s nothing new here. It’s all been addressed many times before.

Here’s a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. I have found that the vast majority of the “issues” brought up can be found and addressed at http://www.fairlds.org/ but here’s more:

http://scriptures.lds.org/
http://www.lds.org
http://www.fairlds.org/
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/index.html
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.answeringantimormons.com/index.htm
http://promormon.blogspot.com/

[Paragon Defender]

Undecided readers,

If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There’s an anti-Mormon group of people here that spends a great deal of their time attacking the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They post regurgitated propaganda on an almost daily basis.

They have a misguided obsession. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. The straw man argument is a big favorite and is frequently preceded by cherry-picking quotes or other material. After the “quotation” the attacker will misrepresent what has been said or what was meant and then attack their own interpretation.

Another favorite is posting scripture or statements which on their own really present no delemma. They make something out of nothing while never bringing up a single objection that hasn’t been addressed a hundred times before.

Sometimes they cruise the headlines of the day seeking any story that might be twisted into making the Church look bad. Anything will do, just watch the progression of posts following it and see what I mean.

After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever “issue” they seem to be “revealing” or “exposing”. I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the “ahah” moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to cleverly twist and attack and will likely chuckle the more you see. In actuality, there’s nothing new here. It’s all been addressed many times before.

Here’s a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. I have found that the vast majority of the “issues” brought up can be found and addressed at http://www.fairlds.org/ but here’s more:

http://scriptures.lds.org/
http://www.lds.org
http://www.fairlds.org/
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/index.html
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.answeringantimormons.com/index.htm
http://promormon.blogspot.com/

[SZonian]

Yep, I guess posting these links again and again and again is a “misguided obsession”.

Links for people to find the truth of particular matters.

http://www.irr.org/mit/default.html

http://www.exmormonsforjesus.org/

http://4mormon.org/ex-mormon.php

http://www.exmormon.org/

http://www.mormoncurtain.com/

[Veritas01]

haha beam me up scotty

[T Minus Four]

Thanks PD. I was expecting you :-)

[T Minus Four]

I think they spelled “moonbat” wrong too :-)

[T Minus Four]

As rescued folks, had you ever heard this stuff before?

[T Minus Four]

In fact, people should start right at the beginning when investigating mormonism.

Here is a lesson plan for the very smallest children's Sunday School. It is STRAIGHT off of the official mormon website, www.lds.org.

[colorcountry]

Oh yes, it is pretty common knowledge. Mormons can and do believe in all sorts of fantasy.

[Paragon Defender]

In fact, people should start right at the beginning when investigating mormonism.

Here is a lesson plan for the very smallest children’s Sunday School. It is STRAIGHT off of the official mormon website, www.lds.org.

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Cool thanks! Sometimes you are so nice. =-)

[reaganaut]

Oh yeah, I heard about it and discussed it even as LDS.

[reaganaut]

Wow, those are some disturbing lesson titles...

[dragonblustar]

Jaredites

I thought those were people that ate at Subway to lose weight?....

[T Minus Four]

The two most interesting to me are "I have a body like Heavenly Father's" and "Joseph Smith saw Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ".

They even have finger puppets the primary teacher can print out so the little ones can act out the vision.

[T Minus Four]

LOL!

[T Minus Four]

Just like AWANA .....NOT!

[SZonian]

As an adult convert, I had heard some of it after I became a member. Didn’t have much time to really learn or study about it though as I was constantly busy doing my “callings”.

Now that I peruse it in more detail, it’s so fantastic that I seriously doubt I would have converted had I heard this story before or during the lessons.

[T Minus Four]

I have lived here in Utah for 15 years and never even suspected this stuff. They sure don’t advertise it.

[T. P. Pole]

For those of you that didn't click the link to see the "disturbing" lesson titles, here they are:

Lesson 1: I Am a Child of God
Lesson 2: Heavenly Father Has a Plan for Me
Lesson 3: I Can Pray to Heavenly Father
Lesson 4: Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ Love Me
Lesson 5: Jesus Christ Showed Us How to Love Others
Lesson 6: The Holy Ghost Helps Me
Lesson 7: Jesus Christ Created the World for Me
Lesson 8: Sunday Is a Day to Remember Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ
Lesson 9: I Have a Body like Heavenly Father's
Lesson 10: I Will Take Care of My Body
Lesson 11: I Love My Family
Lesson 12: I Can Pray with My Family
Lesson 13: My Family Can Be Together Forever
Lesson 14: I Will Obey
Lesson 15: I Will Be Thankful
Lesson 16: I Will Say "I'm Sorry"
Lesson 17: I Will Share
Lesson 18: I Will Love Others
Lesson 19: I Can Be Happy
Lesson 20: I Will Be Reverent
Lesson 21: Joseph Smith Saw Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ
Lesson 22: The Book of Mormon Teaches Me about Jesus Christ
Lesson 23: I Love the Scriptures
Lesson 24: I Will Follow the Prophet
Lesson 25: I Belong to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Lesson 26: I Will Be Baptized and Confirmed
Lesson 27: The Sacrament Helps Me Think about Jesus Christ
Lesson 28: Heavenly Father Blesses Me through the Priesthood
Lesson 29: Jesus Christ Was Resurrected (Easter)
Lesson 30: Jesus Christ Is the Son of Heavenly Father (Christmas)

Admitedly, #9 and #13 are unique Mormon teachings (at least in today's world), as are #21, 22, and 24. Disturbing? I guess there is a scale of "disturbing" that I don't understand.

Or maybe I am looking at the wrong ones. #17 is kind of disturbing, I guess. Or maybe it was #11. #5?

[Elsie]

Ya just gotta LOVE that HOLE in the BOTTOM of the boat, too!

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