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To: Talisker
Sorry, I've been involved in the Charismatic movement, attended charismatic meeting and masses, I've been "slain in the spirit," I've attended many Pentecostal services (when I briefly left Catholicism years ago) and travelled on a mission trip to Haiti with the local Pentecostal church. (My exposure to and involvement in Pentecostalism is enough to cause personal embarrassment now in retrospect as a trad Catholic.)

However, no one can watch these videos

SHOCKING DOCUMENTARY 1- False spirits invade the church - KUNDALINI WARNING - Andrew Strom -Part 1

SHOCKING DOCUMENTARY 2- False spirits invade the church - KUNDALINI WARNING - Andrew Strom -Part 2

Pastor David Wilkerson On Weird Manifestations

And still claim with a straight face that these are valid manifestations of the Holy Spirit.

60 posted on 10/11/2010 8:55:31 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
However, no one can watch these videos... And still claim with a straight face that these are valid manifestations of the Holy Spirit.

First of all, as I said, demonic influences exist. However, Kundalini is not a demon. More fundamentally, however, you have not evinced any understanding of a spiritual philosophy which could explain such manifestations as vaild (in Sanskrit, such purifications are called "kriyas.")

In the philosophy of Kundalini purification, it is said that the Divine Power enters and drives out the base aspects that have entered the human mind and set up shop. Demonic influences, black magic, animalistic tendencies, all base and depraved behavior, etc. And like any purification process, the more powerful it is, the more dramatic the results - can - be (but not always, since we're talking about God here, who can make anything gentle).

So when you show me videos of people acting horrifically under stated "Kundalini" experiences, and state that such things cannot be valid experiences of the Holy Spirit, I think two things:

1st, there's a lot of fakery and hysteria (and granted, some possession) being shoved out in the world as "Kundalini" and "purification," in which case that's what what we're seeing here - not real Kundalini.

2nd, what do you thing people look like when God is purging their black, animalistic hearts? Many stories exist about people going through all sorts of contortions as in these videos, while dark powers and pollutions are driven from their minds by the Holy Spirit. Denying that process is like damning emergency room doctors forcing a patient to vomit out poison, by looking at the poison and the convulsions and claiming that that's not how real doctors work, real doctors are caring and gentle and kind. Such a judgement is simply ignorance.

So which is it in the video? I don't know - and that's not my point. My point is that Kundalini is a name for the Holy Spirit in the Hindu spiritual tradition for thousands of years, and that there is a sound, rational, understandable purification process that is linked not only to Kundalini, but all manifestations of the Holy Spirit around the world, throughout human history.

So believe what you want, I'm not trying to pick a fight here. But there are possible explanations for these videos that are not demonic, and that do invoke the Holy Spirit. And I am saying that with a very straight face.

66 posted on 10/11/2010 9:15:02 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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