LOL.
You’re a trip.
An often fun one but still a trip.
To: Dr. Brian KoppShow me the post on that thread.
Carrying assaults from thread to thread is forbidden hereon.
OK, since you asked. Talisker posted:
To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Those who serve Mammom, not God, in the Prosperity Gospel wing of Pentecostalism are not able to discern between real gifts of the Holy Spirit and false spirits such as this Kundalini spirit. In the end, it was this obsession with "Prosperity" which caused certain Pentecostal leaders to lower their guard and permit this Kundalini infestation of their movement.The Goddess Chiti taught by Baba Muktananda is not a demon (as incorrectly cited above). She is, rather, Chitishakti Kundalini, which is a name for nothing less than the Holy Spirit itself, which in the East is recognized as the Feminine Power of God. And thoughout history, this Holy Spirit is the Purifier that has been described by saints of all times and places. For example, three seconds on Google gives this excellent example of the (non-demonic) purification process:
Teresa of Ávila (from Wikipedia):
Around 1556, various friends suggested that her newfound knowledge was diabolical, not divine. She began to inflict various tortures and mortifications of the flesh upon herself. But her confessor, the Jesuit Saint Francis Borgia, reassured her of the divine inspiration of her thoughts. On St. Peter's Day in 1559, Teresa became firmly convinced that Jesus Christ presented himself to her in bodily form, though invisible. These visions of Jesus Christ lasted almost uninterrupted for more than two years. In another vision, a seraph drove the fiery point of a golden lance repeatedly through her heart, causing an ineffable spiritual-bodily pain.
“I saw in his hand a long spear of gold, and at the iron's point there seemed to be a little fire. He appeared to me to be thrusting it at times into my heart, and to pierce my very entrails; when he drew it out, he seemed to draw them out also, and to leave me all on fire with a great love of God. The pain was so great, that it made me moan; and yet so surpassing was the sweetness of this excessive pain, that I could not wish to be rid of it...”
This vision was the inspiration for one of Bernini's most famous works, the Ecstasy of St Teresa at Santa Maria della Vittoria in Rome. The memory of this episode served as an inspiration throughout the rest of her life, and motivated her life-long imitation of the life and suffering of Jesus, epitomized in the motto usually associated with her: "Lord, either let me suffer or let me die."
Note that I am not saying that demons are unreal. But discrimination and humility is required for deep understanding of spiritual purification, and God is certainly not limited by the inabilities of the human mind to fathom divine process.
I replied,
To: Talisker; Quix
The Goddess Chiti taught by Baba Muktananda is not a demon (as incorrectly cited above). She is, rather, Chitishakti Kundalini, which is a name for nothing less than the Holy Spirit itself, which in the East is recognized as the Feminine Power of God. And thoughout history, this Holy Spirit is the Purifier that has been described by saints of all times and places.Wow. Thanks for proving my central thesis about discernment of spirits.
So, you would honestly have us believe that this Goddess Chiti taught by Kundalini Swami Muktananda is the same as the Christian Holy Spirit???From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Muktananda Born 16 May 1908(1908-05-16) Died 2 October 1982 (aged 74) Swami Muktananda (May 16, 1908-October 2, 1982) is the monastic name of an Indian Hindu guru and disciple of Bhagavan Nityananda. Swami Muktananda was the founder of Siddha Yoga. He wrote a number of books on the subjects of Kundalini Shakti, Vedanta, and Kashmir Shaivism, including an autobiography entitled The Play of Consciousness.
Quix, please help me out here! Please tell me you do not agree with this?!?
You subsequently posted
To: Talisker; 1000 silverlings; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; ...
Qx: Unmitigated balderdash.Agreed. The posts are so stuffed with multiple layers of ignorance, prejudice, bigotry and flat-out lies that it would take a year to unravel them all.
But I will note that the first thing churches scream throughout history when people actually, personally experience the Holy Spirit without their prior approval is "demons!"
Which, of course, always makes it that much easier for real demons to hide behind the status quo - religious or otherwise.
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ABSOLUTELY INDEED.
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Thanks for your kind and accurate post.
Of course, I ignore 97% of what you type, so I ellipsed the majority of your post above, because that's all I saw, you agreeing vehemently with Talisker, who just claimed the Hindu Kundalini spirit was the same as the Christian Holy Spirit.
I couldn't believe YOU would say that, so I twice requested a clarification from you:
To: Quix If you agree with Talisker that these Hindu spirits are the same as the Holy Spirit, then I now more fully understand your grasp of Truth too. 89 posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2010 12:48:28 AM by Dr. Brian Kopp
To: Quix; Talisker
I asked a couple simple questions that you can easily clarify, Quix. No need to take offense.
I really would like to know what you believe and think.
Do you agree with Talisker that the spirits imparted in Hinduism are the same as the Christian Holy Spirit?
That is a simple question, which arose from an assumption that Talisker was a fellow Pentecostal Christian given your mutual admiration on this thread.
Is he not a Pentecostal Christian?
Is he Christian?
These are simple questions. I do not understand why you and he are avoiding them.
You refused to answer that simple straightforward question, so I assumed you agreed with Talisker on that too, since you agreed with him on everything else and exchanged so many warm and fuzzy kudos here.
Now I ask yet again, do you agree with Talisker that the spirits imparted in Hinduism are the same as the Christian Holy Spirit?