Posted on 10/08/2010 7:08:12 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
The poll, and the researchers involved, clearly aren’t capable of distinguishing between “Catholic” and “CINO-Catholic in name only”.
Just like the oxymoron..”Catholic Woman Priests”....they may be women, they may consider themselves priests, but then by definition they are not, and cannot be Catholic.
The publik skools slip showing again.
Sorry about that, it was a spontaneous exclamation not meant to be a personal insult.
I hope you noticed the corrections to your totally false information though.
I sincerely doubt that many true believers share that opinion.
Sounds more like the views of a bunch of “pew Catholics.”
That is the only reaction to learning that Catholics are a proabortion, pro Democrat voting block?
Don't conservative Catholics care at all? Almost every Catholic response to learning that Catholic voters love the Democrat party, is to rally around the Vatican rather than to confront American politics and liberalism.
There are very few union members in America, do you think that it accounted for Obama's huge support from Catholics, or for McCain's huge support from Protestants?
They always count all Protestants together as the Protestant vote. See post 55.
Compare and contrast to the Catholic vote
2008 Presidential Election demographics, footnoted and annotated
Your "by the numbers" breakdown of the 2008 vote, with emphasis on the Evangelical/Protestant voter (as of 04/07/09):
xx% McCain, 23% Obama - White Evangelicals age 30-6411
75% McCain, 25% Obama - White7,10 Born Again5,10,12 Evangelicals1,8,10,12
73% McCain, 26% Obama - Evangelical/Born-again Protestant14
xx% McCain, 32% Obama - White Evangelicals age 18-2911
65% McCain, xx% Obama - Weekly church-attending Protestants7
65% McCain, 34% Obama - White Protestants7,8
65% McCain, 34% Obama - White Protestant/Other Christian14
55% McCain, 44% Obama - Non-evangelical Protestant14
54% McCain, 44% Obama - Weekly church-goers1,4,7,12
54% McCain, 45% Obama - Protestants6,8
46% McCain, 52% Obama - Non-Evangelical Protestants 12
46% McCain, 53% Obama - Protestant/Other Christian14
xx% McCain, 67% Obama - Hispanic Protestants and other Christians11**, ****
xx% McCain, 94% Obama - Black Protestants11,13**,****
** No source provided voting percentages for the other party.
*** Associated Press (citation #11) reports this number as 72%, instead of the 67% other media gave it.
**** Note that some media are reporting the same numbers for the Hispanic and Black vote in general, as well as for those same groups with Catholic or Protestant affiliation.
Citations:
1 The Awesome Blue God -- How Obama Forged A New Faith Coalition
2 Exit polls: 78% of Jews voted for Obama
3 Utah's red loses some of its luster
4 Obama's Religious Appeal: Still Missing Evangelicals - which TIME renamed as Obama: Bringing (Some) Evangelicals In
5 The Evangelical Electoral Map
6 What's wrong with Catholic voters? What's wrong with Catholics?
7 Evangelical Voters Favor McCain by Wide Margins
8 Catholic voters heavily favored Obama, analysis shows
9 What Happened to the Catholic Vote?
10 Loyal to the End: Evangelicals Stay the Course
11 Obama results show gains in key religious voters
12 How the faithful voted
13 Exit polls: How Obama won
14 Pew Forum - How The Faithful Voted
All numbers cited above are the earliest ones reported in the press. In cases of multiple reports, some percentages cited were not exact. However, the numbers above are within 2% of all sources cited, lending credence to the general number & placement overall.
Other resources:
With the Help of Catholics…Obama’s Victory
Results! Evangelicals
Mainline Protestants and Latino evangelicals surge toward Obama [pre-election article]
Poll: Latino Protestants switching back to Democrats this election [pre-election article]
The Hispanic Protestant swing vote [pre-election article]
America spoke
Believers in the Pews--and the Polling Booth
McCain Beats Bush on Evangelical Vote
What I found most interesting, however, is that McCain actually did 3% worse among White "regular-mass-attending" Catholics than Weekly mass-attending Catholics, which would presumably include all races, including Hispanic (even though it isn't really a race).
This would seem to indicate that regular (weekly) mass attendance is actually a better predictor of voting behavior than the particular race or ethnic group, something that you won't find in most Protestant sects.
Does this indicate that Catholics are more loyal to their church than to their race, whereas Protestants are more loyal to their race than to their church?
It would probably be hard to tell without a breakdown of various Protestant brands. Then even within some brands, you will get a massive split such as the ELCA Lutherans and the traditional Lutherans.
Find the brands with the most conservative voting behavior and I think you find the brands with the closest teachings to traditional Christianity. OTOH, the same could be said for the various branches of Judaism.
Liberals, like Lucifer, both try to substitute the fashionable PC crap of the moment for traditional and unchanging truths.
See post #69.
I would by-and-large agree with that!
LOL, you are the guy that was totally wrong about the vote in 2008, I would like to see the study that shows what you just claimed.
How does that work in the Hispanic vote?
Protestant Hispanics are more Republican than the overall Catholic vote, they are roughly 50/50, with 56% going Republican in 2004, and 48% in 2008.
You sure got that wrong, that is the overall Hispanic vote, Hispanic Protestants went 52% for Obama, not 67%.
Catholic Hispanics appear to have gone for Obama by about 78%.
Did they bother to ask if these “Catholics” are just Cultural Catholics?
Even sitting in a pew every Sunday does not mean you believe in Church teaching. Again many cultural and cafeteria Catholics do so. To me Mass attendance is a good indicator but only if the person also believes what the Church teaches.
Your comparison is a false one. When a Protestant leaves his denomination he does not continue to identify as a member of that denomination. Catholics who leave or who stay even when they don’t believe continue to self identify as Catholic. The exception is Catholics who become Protestants. But ask somebody who was raised Catholic but who has not set foot in a Church for 15 years what religion they are and they will say Catholic. Even thought at that point it is a meaningless definition.
Just as there are secular Jews there are secular Catholics. If you polled such secular Jews you would find they supported all the issues that Orthodox faithful Jews oppose. Such as homosexual unions.
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