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Unless Pope Eugene was speaking of the universal church - which is all believers in Christ that are members of his spiritual body - then he was in error, and if he made such a terrible error, then he cannot be infallible.

As far as no one knows for sure if they are one of the predestined, no Protestant can know if they have the "faith", I must disagree completely. Although I do not believe we are born "predestined" for heaven or hell, we certainly can know from Scripture that we have been saved and that we can KNOW we have eternal life. See:

I John 5:13 - I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

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re: Unless Pope Eugene was speaking of the universal church - which is all believers in Christ that are members of his spiritual body - then he was in error, and if he made such a terrible error, then he cannot be infallible..

Each Protestant is just one person making up their own religion as they go along, they're all winging it, to themselves they are more infallible than a pope, they are their own god. Each Protestant says, I will not serve, I am God.

You know nothing about infallibility, predestination, or the Catholic Church.

No point in discussing anything about the true Faith with Protestants. If I were to correct the misunderstanding in ONE person for ONE question of life, there would still be millions of other errors to deal with in that ONE person.

Your beliefs are unique to you, as Protestantism has no beliefs that require adherence, each Protestant basically invents his own church of one. That is not the case with Catholics. The Catholic Church has doctrines that are unchangeable, and a Catholic MUST believe them, or he is not a Catholic. PERIOD.

A Protestant can call themselves a Christian in a state of grace with a direct line to the Holy Ghost, even if they don't believe Christ is God.

A Catholic is a heretic if he denies one dogma. A Catholic who dies with one mortal sin (heresy is a mortal sin) goes to hell.

Protestantism is like a body care system that teaches that one must eat and exercise to live better. But they leave it up to the person to figure out the rest.

Catholicism is like a body care system that tells you that you must eat good food, what foods to eat, and in what quantities, and what foods MUST NEVER be eaten. It says that you must exercise, how much to exercise, and exactly what exercises to do, and which you MUST never do. And if you don't follow the most important teachings which are vital to your survival, you are no longer a Catholic.