You sure love that bandwagon fallacy bit, so much so you use it when it doesn't even fit...
No I am not Jesus, Jesus is Jesus, and his spoken words are in the Bible. Sure you have heard of it. It is all there for people to see and understand both in word and context since the writers did a fairly good job of setting the various stages and condition about to who and about whom he was speaking. No real stretch no need to have any divine powers, just decent reading abilities and a rational honest and straightforward mind.
And again you miss the “calling your brother a fool” point. No one that I see is disagreeing with the fact the Bible tells us not to call our brother a fool. The point of contention is whether one is addressing a bother with that term or someone else. That should be a very simple and rational point to grasp when one is be forthright and not trying to “confuse” the issue.
Not that anyone of the LDS persuasion would do that of course...
And please, you and your peers just stop (not that you will, against SOP) with the “The only thing I object to is a summary dismissal without examining the evidence and without a prayer of truth being revealed” type razzmatazz. You and yours have been told repeatedly that all of us, especially the former Mormons, have been very familiar with the “evidence” and such, from the “testimonies" about non existent places and things” to the “archaeological evidence” to the DNA and yes even prayer, and know beyond a shadow of a doubt spiritually and logically that it is all a con.
As far as extended courtesy, even with you arrogance out right misrepresentations of Christian ideas and the Savior himself as well as purposful misdirection and game playing we all try, to a very great extent, to engage you openly and as straightforward as possible given the subject, ask you questions (that you often ignore or obfuscate on) and respond to your question candidly with all the facts one can bear. So if you think playing the victim works for you great, it's LDS SOP anyways so you are following procedure and tradition. But that is even starting to wear a little thin with the masses, the digital age and all I guess.
You sure love that bandwagon fallacy bit, so much so you use it when it doesn't even fit...
With anti's who want to say they are right because they outnumber us it's always appropriate.
No I am not Jesus, Jesus is Jesus, and his spoken words are in the Bible.
Are all his spoken words in the Bible? If so, please tell me what is first word was, inquiring minds want to know...
Sure you have heard of it. It is all there for people to see and understand both in word and context since the writers did a fairly good job of setting the various stages and condition about to who and about whom he was speaking. No real stretch no need to have any divine powers, just decent reading abilities and a rational honest and straightforward mind.
Yep, heard it, read it continually, and I do understand it, I guess I have good reading abilities, a rational and honest and straightforward mind and that is why I don't think Jesus was lying when he spoke of God the father in the third person throughout the bible. I guess that's why when I read
John 17:20-23 I understand that Jesus and God are not one in substance, but on in purpose, heart might mind and Strength, as one is used throughout the Bible. Here let me quote the verses for you:
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Yep, when read with decent reading abilities, a rational and honest and straightforward mind, it precludes the creation of a Dogma (man made belief system) like the dogma of the Trinity.
And again you miss the “calling your brother a fool” point. No one that I see is disagreeing with the fact the Bible tells us not to call our brother a fool. The point of contention is whether one is addressing a bother with that term or someone else. That should be a very simple and rational point to grasp when one is be forthright and not trying to “confuse” the issue.
It is simple, all men are brothers, for God is the father of spirits.
Hebrews 12:7-9 Jesus says it... and if you think we are "without chastisement, well, I dare you to post how we don't get it everyday on this forum alone, the humor content of such a post would double the traffic at FR.
And please, you and your peers just stop (not that you will, against SOP) with the “The only thing I object to is a summary dismissal without examining the evidence and without a prayer of truth being revealed” type razzmatazz. You and yours have been told repeatedly that all of us, especially the former Mormons, have been very familiar with the “evidence” and such, from the “testimonies" about non existent places and things” to the “archaeological evidence” to the DNA and yes even prayer, and know beyond a shadow of a doubt spiritually and logically that it is all a con.
Mormons have seen many who will lie cheat, forge and kill to denigrate the church, can you say Mark hofmann? (I knew you could) I bring him up just so you won't challenge me to finger some freeper, that's not my style. We know there are many who will say and do anything to keep people out of the church, even those like Mark who were members of the church. Why? God knows. I personally cannot fathom it.
But since they exist, why not here? When we see posters here post things that we know to be false, well your credibility with us goes negative. Truly if an anti of any religion tells me the sky is blue, I'll go and look. I'm sorry, but the obsessiveness with which antis spend time on us is also not indicative of a rational mind and an impartial judgment.
Nice try, but after your entry earlier on this post of having a "rational honest and straightforward mind", well you are making my point, thanks!
As far as extended courtesy, even with you arrogance out right misrepresentations of Christian ideas and the Savior himself as well as purposful misdirection and game playing we all try, to a very great extent, to engage you openly and as straightforward as possible given the subject, ask you questions (that you often ignore or obfuscate on) and respond to your question candidly with all the facts one can bear.
Wow, long run on... This is "extended courtesy"? LOL, I post my beliefs, I quote from the Bible with links, I quote from the Catholic encyclopedia with links. As for game playing... have you seen some of the posts from your side with photo-shopped pictures, and incendiary text? A man's got to stay sane, and humor sure helps. I try to answer all serious questions (some are obviously rhetorical) when called on missing a question, I go back and answer it. I apologize when I am wrong or out of line, which has happened. I think your critique of me is biased.
So if you think playing the victim works for you great, it's LDS SOP anyways so you are following procedure and tradition. But that is even starting to wear a little thin with the masses, the digital age and all I guess.
Is it playing the victim to continue to post against an uphill battle of many antis and outright mis-characterizations of my position by antis? Your post is a good example of this. I have had antis try to interpret my thoughts for the thread, I have had anti's say I said things I did not say, or reword my post so it can be attacked from a point I did not make. It's not victemhood, it's rallying the the spirit, it's stating the truth.
What do Mormons do when the arrows of the enemy blot out the sun? We fight in the dark until the sun breaks through the darkness again. We don't complain about the numbers arrayed against us, we boast of the victories of our Lord and express thanks that he has made us equal to our foes though they be many and we be few.
Will we stop talking about the underhanded tactics, and calculated twisting of truth? No. We will continue to Glory in our Lord, Our God, we will continue on praising Jesus Christ, our master.
Delph