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To: restornu

http://mrm.org/jerusalem
lds teach Jerusalem.


349 posted on 09/30/2010 8:55:37 PM PDT by svcw
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To: svcw
Please, if you're going to post what Mormons believe from an anti Mormon site, don't bother pinging me.

If you are interested what we actually believe about the issue, then fine, but I'm not here to banter endlessly about a non mormon’s view about my beliefs.

This will be my last post on this topic. I suggest you read a little more than the anti sites if you wish you know what we actually believe.


BYU professor Daniel C. Peterson pointed out the absurdity of this argument:
To suggest that Joseph Smith knew the precise location of Jesus’ baptism by John (”in Bethabara, beyond Jordan” (1 Ne. 10:9) but hadn't a clue about the famous town of Christ's birth is so improbable as to be ludicrous.

Do the skeptics seriously mean to suggest that the Book of Mormon's Bible-drenched author (or authors) missed one of the most obvious facts about the most popular story in the Bible — something known to every child and Christmas caroler? Do they intend to say that a clever fraud who could write a book displaying so wide an array of subtly authentic Near Eastern and biblical cultural and literary traits as the Book of Mormon does was nonetheless so stupid as to claim, before a Bible-reading public, that Jesus was born in the city of Jerusalem? As one anti-Mormon author has pointed out, “Every schoolboy and schoolgirl knows Christ was born in Bethlehem.” [Langfield, 53.] Exactly! It is virtually certain, therefore, that Alma 7:10 was foreign to Joseph Smith's preconceptions. “The land of Jerusalem” is not the sort of thing the Prophet would likely have invented, precisely for the same reason it bothers uninformed critics of the Book of Mormon.[1]

It is important to note what Alma's words were. He did not claim Jesus would be born in the city of Jerusalem, but “at Jerusalem which is the land of our forefathers.”
Thus, the Book of Mormon makes a distinction here between a city and the land associated with a city. It does this elsewhere as well:
the land (Alma 2:15) and city(Alma 6:1) of Zarahemla;
the land and city of Nephi (Alma 47:20).

This is consistent with the usage of the ancient Middle East. El Amarna letter #287 reports that “a town of the land of Jerusalem, Bit-Lahmi [Bethlehem] by name, a town belonging to the king, has gone over to the side of the people of Keilah.”[2] (One over-confident 19th century critic blithely assured his readers that “There is no such land. No part of Palestine bears the nameof Jerusalem, except the city itself.”[3] While this was perhaps true in the 19th century, it was not true anciently. A supposed “howler” turns into evidence for the text's antiquity.
Thus, Joseph Smith gets it exactly right — the town of Bethlehem is in the “land of Jerusalem.” In fact, Bethlehem is only 5 miles south of Jerusalem: definitely “in the land,” especially from the perspective of Alma, a continent away. Even locals considered Hebron, twenty five miles from Bethlehem, to be in the “land of Jerusalem.”

http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Mormon/Anachronisms/Jerusalem_vs_Bethlehem

I'm out. Do what you will.

351 posted on 09/30/2010 9:28:25 PM PDT by Ripliancum ("As He died to make men holy, let us live to make men free")
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