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Psalms 5 - NASV (Reformed Caucus)
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Posted on 09/27/2010 4:34:41 PM PDT by HarleyD

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1 posted on 09/27/2010 4:34:48 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD; drstevej; OrthodoxPresbyterian; CCWoody; Wrigley; Gamecock; Jean Chauvin; jboot; ...

Reformed ping.


2 posted on 09/27/2010 4:36:01 PM PDT by HarleyD
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Psa 5:12 For it is You who blesses the righteous man, O LORD, You surround him with favor as with a shield.

"There is none righteous, no, not one. (Romans 3:10)"

3 posted on 09/27/2010 5:06:09 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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Jesus was the blessed man.
And because he was, I am too.


4 posted on 09/27/2010 5:14:02 PM PDT by Gamecock ( Christianity is not the movement from vice to virtue, but from virtue to Grace.)
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edit: blessed should have been righteous.


5 posted on 09/27/2010 5:15:12 PM PDT by Gamecock ( Christianity is not the movement from vice to virtue, but from virtue to Grace.)
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To: HarleyD
For the most part, when people read the psalms they read them for the positive messages and most miss the dark and ominous messages contained in them.

Let's look at verse 5:

The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity Psalms 5:5 (KJV)

Hate. There's a strong word that you don't hear many modern preachers emphasize.

Here's another treasure from Spurgeon's Treasury of David:

Thou hatest all workers of iniquity. It is not a little dislike, but a thorough hatred which God bears to workers of iniquity. To be hated of God is an awful thing. O let us be very faithful in warning the wicked around us, for it will be a terrible thing for them to fall into the hands of an angry God! Charles Spurgeon — Treasury of David, The

6 posted on 09/27/2010 5:24:27 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Gamecock

“None righteous” must be dealt with. God’s declaration is clear from the Bible.

There is either a way out or I am in big trouble.


7 posted on 09/27/2010 5:29:45 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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Here's an interesting question to separate the wheat from the chaff, so to speak:

Does God declare you righteous or does he make you righteous?

8 posted on 09/27/2010 5:58:02 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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For the most part, when people read the psalms they read them for the positive messages and most miss the dark and ominous messages contained in them.

Yes, that is what struck me about the Psalms as I read through them.

I also noticed how David really looked at God as, not only God but as his King. Look at this verse.

David really had a vision of the Kingship of God. God was a sovereign Ruler. Those who were wicked God would actively work/fight against. Those who were righteous were made righteous by the King but they also must conform to the Ruler's desires. It's like Psalms 2:

The King would take care of His subject, protecting and helping them, but they were still subject to the desires of the King.

9 posted on 09/27/2010 6:06:34 PM PDT by HarleyD
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Since “if we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves”, then I’m not made “personally” righteous. (Although I have a hope of a glorified body.)

I believe my righteousness is imputed; i.e., declared.


10 posted on 09/27/2010 6:07:20 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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Does God declare you righteous or does he make you righteous?

I agree with xzins. Righteousness is an imputed quality. Once you are righteous, then that's it. The Psalms always seems to deal with the righteous and the wicked. Not always is everything rosy for the righteous and not always is everything bad for the wicked (initially). But it seems to be an absolute.

11 posted on 09/27/2010 6:18:07 PM PDT by HarleyD
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I agree with xzins. Righteousness is an imputed quality.

If you ask someone on the other side of the Tiber, I suspect you might get a different answer. But let's not ask them on this thread.

Caucus on!

12 posted on 09/27/2010 6:22:02 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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I do believe that my life under the banner of God's salvation is one that should continue to "resist the devil" so that he will "flee from me."

My take on 1 John 3:

7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do (have the habit of doing) what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love (have the habit of loving) his brother

His seed within us affects us so that we are helped by God not to be characterized by a continuous walking in darkness. We do not "go on sinning."

He out of His graciousness grants us a reprieve and gives us periods of "joy unspeakable and full of glory."

13 posted on 09/27/2010 6:34:57 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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For the most part, when people read the psalms they read them for the positive messages and most miss the dark and ominous messages contained in them.

A minor amusing bit, re that. Last Sunday, in the "traditional service" (just like the "contemporary" one, except they tend Gaither songs instead of CCM Top 40. But that's a rant for another time.) we sand a song "Based on Psalm 139:23", which is

23 Search me, O God, and know my heart!
Try me and know my thoughts!

Just because that's what I do, I looked up context. The previous 4 verses are:

19 Oh that you would slay the wicked, O God!
O men of blood, depart from me!
20 They speak against you with malicious intent;
your enemies take your name in vain!
21 Do I not hate those who hate you, O LORD?
And do I not loathe those who rise up against you?
22 I hate them with complete hatred;
I count them my enemies.

Out of context FAIL!

For the most part, when people read the psalms they read them for the positive messages and most miss the dark and ominous messages contained in them.

I read for both. My favorite is Psalm 73. That psalmist's struggle is my own. "My flesh and my heart may fail, but God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever "

Life in this age is full of painful and bad things, and the Psalms speak of them.

And then there's times when they go all eschatological on us:

10 The righteous will rejoice when he sees the vengeance;
he will bathe his feet in the blood of the wicked.
11 Mankind will say, “Surely there is a reward for the righteous;
surely there is a God who judges on earth.” --ps 58

14 posted on 09/27/2010 6:40:58 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("Take, drink. Remember and believe that the blood of Jesus was shed for a complete remission ...")
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“Psa 5:6 The LORD abhors the man of bloodshed and deceit.”

Was David a “bloody and deceitful” man?


15 posted on 09/27/2010 7:14:00 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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But he was declared righteous!


16 posted on 09/27/2010 7:39:06 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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“But he was declared righteous!”

There’s hope for us then. We may not be too “bloody and deceitful”, but we are just one step up as lawyers.


17 posted on 09/27/2010 7:55:59 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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We are in big trouble indeed!

All of our ways, all of our works are as filthy rags.

The way out, we both know it: it is the way of the cross.


20 posted on 09/28/2010 12:05:36 AM PDT by Lexinom
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