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To: xzins; Christian_Capitalist; blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg
It is threads like this that keep me from becoming more Calvinistic than I already am. The article and the person posting it are just too rabidly one sided in their approach to this subject, ignoring the implications of Calvinistic doctrine to the subject of infant damnation and mocking the ideas of those to whom they disagree even to the point of stating that Wesley "preached Satan."

The Calvinist position when taken to the same extreme that this author takes the Wesleyan position could argue that God very well may have damned every Child that dies before the age of 5 because like Esau, perhaps God hated them all. There is nothing in Calvinistic theology that suggests that God favors children that die young more than he favors the children who live. And if God does not need a reason to save one adult over another (as they are all natural born sinners) then God could just as surely choose one dying infant over another and send one to hell and one to be with him forever in Heaven.

So rather than accomplish the goal of turning this believer into a Calvinist, the author and poster have given me a reason to take another step back.

FWIW Sometimes Calvinists can be really insightful and sometimes they can be real jerks.

89 posted on 09/16/2010 6:09:28 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe
...sometimes they can be real jerks.

In my experience, the only people to ever preach that (any) infants are damned to hell have been calvinists on this board. No one else I have met/interacted with has ever suggested anything remotely similar.

Once they lost that debate, they came up with the arguments found in this thread. Interesting how they continue to move the goalposts.

90 posted on 09/16/2010 6:18:35 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: P-Marlowe; Christian_Capitalist; blue-duncan; Dr. Eckleburg; ShadowAce

I agree that it’s this kind of stupidity that makes me wonder what they’re putting in the drinks at calvin conventions, ‘cause some of them come out crazy.

It’s this kind of crappola that makes me realize there’s a school of calvinists who preach calvin instead of Christ.

They could care less about Christ so long as they get to stick out their chests and bellow at non-calvinists. Disgusting stuff. It certainly raises a question about predestination: God needed idiots for some reason, and sure enough, they show up here every now and then.


91 posted on 09/16/2010 6:27:15 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: P-Marlowe; xzins
The Calvinist position when taken to the same extreme that this author takes the Wesleyan position

It's John Wesley's own position, fer-cryin-out-loud. I don't need to "take it to extremes", when I can just quote the man himself and his own church standards!

"they cannot be saved, unless this be washed away by baptism."

116 posted on 09/16/2010 12:39:58 PM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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