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To: Christian_Capitalist

>>You know I seem to have misplaced the reference in my Bible where it says “For by Baptism ye have been saved...” could you give that to me?
>
>Well, you won’t find any Scriptural support for any Arminian/Free-Will dogmas. It’s all Satanism, nothing Biblical about it.

You completely missed my point: “baptism & salvation” is a distinct issue from “determinism vs. free-will” and the joining together of the two, on either side of the argument, is subject to questioning/explanation/elaboration.

>And of course, we see the inherent Satanism of Free-Will Arminianism in such execrable Blasphemies as the Free-Will Doctrine of Universal Infant Damnation for infants who die unbaptized.

Again, see above. where are you getting the idea that to embrace free-will means that one must *necessarily* embrace infant damnation? {BTW, as one of your despised “free-willers” I doubt the legitimacy of infant baptisms.}

>Just one more Satanic belief in a whole Satanic belief-system.

And you have not shown how your excuse-from-accountability philosophy is any LESS Satanic.


71 posted on 09/15/2010 4:21:50 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
You completely missed my point: “baptism & salvation” is a distinct issue from “determinism vs. free-will” and the joining together of the two, on either side of the argument, is subject to questioning/explanation/elaboration.

It's relevant to John Wesley, since he believed in Baptismal Regeneration and therefore held that Baptized Infants were exempt from his theology of Universal Damnation for those who Die in Infancy.

Again, see above. where are you getting the idea that to embrace free-will means that one must *necessarily* embrace infant damnation? {BTW, as one of your despised “free-willers” I doubt the legitimacy of infant baptisms.}

Oh, I don't dount that there are some theologically-inconsistent Free-Willers who deny the Arminian/Free-Willer doctrine of Infant Damnation.

But the greatest theologian of Free-Willism, John Wesley, clearly understood that if all men have inherited Original Sin (and Wesley affirmed that they have), and that Regeneration is conditioned not upon Absolute Predestination of God but rather the conscious decision of Fallen Man (and this was his teaching), then all those who do not consciously choose Christ are condemned to Hell.

Wesley made an exception for Baptized Infants, since he believed in Baptismal Regeneration from Original Sin; but he consigned all who die Unbaptized as Infants to the fires of Hell -- which was entirely consistent with his Satanic Arminian/Free-Will theology.

And you have not shown how your excuse-from-accountability philosophy is any LESS Satanic.

That's because I hold to no "excuse-from-accountability philosophy".

As a Calvinist, I believe that the Reprobate are held to account for their Sins, and Condemned to Hell.

And that the Sins of the Elect, on the other hand, are fully accounted for by the Sacrificial Atonement of Christ, and therefore they are Justified unto Heaven.

In both cases, every Sin is held to account.

85 posted on 09/16/2010 2:13:16 AM PDT by Christian_Capitalist (Taxation over 10% is Tyranny -- 1 Samuel 8:17)
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