Aw, c'mon! He didn't mean that either. When Jesus says, "I am with you," he means "in a spiritual sense," which is another way of saying He is NOT with us. And when He says, "This is my body," He means, "not really." He only meant those things he said which accord with Prebysterian teaching. It's an easy rule, really: If you want to know what Jesus meant, read Calvin.
Wow, and here I’ve been reading it *all* wrong!
Thanks for the correction!
Why is it that people who think that a deterministic God orders everything down to the tiniest degree by his ordaining will, and think that Jesus is this God in the flesh ...
... then think that this same God, through his ambiguous teaching ("my flesh is true food, my blood is true drink, he who munches/gnaws my flesh lives in me, and I in him", etc.) and his bad example (holding up a piece of bread and saying, "this is my body") tempted literally billions of his followers to commit the grossest idolatry ...
... was not doing thereby precisely what he intended to do, such that those billions were already condemned to hell for their idolatry before the foundation of the world ...
... and, in erring thus, think that they -- I mean those who preach that deterministic God today -- can somehow change his sovereign decree by getting very exercised over that same idolatry?
Why would they want to?
I mean, it doesn't make sense to me ... but the opposite premise, that Christ simply meant what he said, and those billions of his followers are being led to heaven, not hell ... <gasp> ... is simply too horrible to contemplate ...