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To: RJR_fan

Hagee is a charismatic ... and you ought to know that dispensationalists reject the continuation of the charismatic gifts outright. If he claims to be a dispensationalist then he is an abborant one; but his views are NOT dispensational. Prosperity, positive confession, non-regenerate conversion, etc. ... these are not doctrines that a dispensationalist espouses.

Perhaps you could try to use someone else as a typical dispensationalist ... How about Ryrie, Showers, Toussaint ... mainline dispensationalists who publish theological works in respected journals. But then that wouldnt really fit your agenda would it?


9 posted on 09/04/2010 6:06:37 PM PDT by dartuser ("Palin 2012 ... nothing else will do.")
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To: dartuser
Hagee is a charismatic ... and you ought to know that dispensationalists reject the continuation of the charismatic gifts outright.

It's a pity he only "cherry picked" the worst aspects of dispensational theology, and missed some of its strengths.

Our church follows the John 4 model -- we are pentecostal Presbyterians, or maybe charismatic Calvinists, who seek to worship God in Spirit and in Truth. From our pulpit, the question posed in the original post is a non-issue, a circular "chicken vs. egg" argument that keeps us running in circles, since it confines itself to the human plane. What comes first is God's election, which manifests itself in a heart to repent, a mind to convert, and a will to obey. On the human level, one of those three may seem most important -- but each of us is different.

The "one size fits all" conversion experience is the false conversion model foisted upon the American church by pelagian heretic Charles G. Finney, who invented vile, unethical hypnotic techniques for mass-producing false conversions -- especially the "altar call."

18 posted on 09/05/2010 12:08:46 AM PDT by RJR_fan (Christians need to reclaim and excel in the genre of science fiction.)
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