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To: Pete
Understanding doctrine = knowing and understanding the Gospel.

And yet still not the means of salvation.

The thief on the cross almost certainly did not understand doctrine. Little children do not understand doctrine, and yet Jesus says we should be like them (in the sense of trusting Him) if we want to enter the Kingdom of God. (Matt. 18)

Don't misunderstand: doctrine is a good and necessary thing. It's that body of principles and beliefs by which we can maintain a consistent understanding of what the Gospels say, and for churches to maintain a consistent body of teaching.

Even so, doctrine is not fixed, even among bodies of people that we both would agree are Christians. One expects this, as doctrine is the work of men, trying to make sense of what the Gospels are all about.

102 posted on 09/02/2010 8:45:30 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb

Exactly! bttt


126 posted on 09/02/2010 9:02:34 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (BP was founder of Cap & Trade Lobby and is linked to John Podesta, The Apollo Alliance and Obama)
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To: r9etb; Pete
The thief on the cross almost certainly did not understand doctrine.

Oh really?

The word "doctrine" simply means teaching.

Let's see what this thief knew both about Christ and any other Christian teachings:

39One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: "Aren't you the Christ? Save yourself and us!"
40But the other criminal rebuked him. "Don't you fear God," he said, "since you are under the same sentence? 41We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong."
42Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom." (Luke 23:39-42)

So what had this thief learned already?
* He knew Jesus was perfect -- or at least perfect in His public life (v. 41). (How many contemporaries with access to Bibles still don't recognize that?)
* He feared God (v. 40), and knew that was proper. (How many contemporaries lack a fear of God?)
* He knew the one of the commandments enough to know he was guilty and was received due punishment. (v.41) (How many contemporaries play down steading as if it was nothing -- and here he said it was worth the death penalty!)
* He knew enough "teaching" about Jesus that He was both trustworthy (somebody of ultimate authority He could appeal to about the most important thing in life -- God's Kingdom) -- v. 42...
* ...and, as such, He knew Jesus was the Living Way into a true Kingdom entrance [How many even on these FReeper threads have chastised us in the past week for claiming Jesus is the Only Way to heaven?]

I'd say this guy knew a fair enough. In fact, even the other thief heard of Jesus' "savior" status!!!

Little children do not understand doctrine, and yet Jesus says we should be like them (in the sense of trusting Him) if we want to enter the Kingdom of God. (Matt. 18)

They don't? You're telling me that little children don't understand some basic doctrines about, say, prayer?
Or what it is to trust?

I think you simply forgot to put an adjective by "doctrine" -- like "in-depth."

273 posted on 09/04/2010 6:10:30 PM PDT by Colofornian
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