Evangelical Scholar Troubled by Theological Ambiguity at Beck Rally (Many Christians Seem Confused)

Christian Post ^ | 09/02/2010 | Nathan Black

[MEGoody]

Ahhhh, but let’s look at where Mormonism and Christianity differ, that is really more useful

Since Beck wasn't there touting Mormon doctrine, it doesn't matter.

[RnMomof7]

BUMP

[RnMomof7]

I suspect it does not exist.. it is just a rumor made personal for impact

[CynicalBear]

>>The nation wasn’t founded on that. But certainly the constitution allows one to believe in demonism if one wants to. And such a person will suffer the consequenses.<<

Well then, Beck’s whole point was to get back to the founding principles and of personal choice with basic Jewdao/Christian principles. If you disagree with that then maybe we should all form seperate groups and develope the 20 party system.

[circlecity]

"Christ didnt teach Peace and love of neighbor? I beg to differ."

Sure he did. The Bible also says no man (other than Jesus) who ever live has consistently practiced love of neighbor or peace. That's the law. Christ taught that the ONLY way to salvation is a sincere belief in him and a regeneration of one's soul, a process Jesus called being born again. If this happens one will naturally accept a duty to love one's neighbor although they will never be able to practice it perfectly. Good intentions without belief in the one God, in all three of his persons, gets one only to hell.

[Matchett-PI]

Matchett-PI: "I thought I heard Beck say at one time that the reason he "converted to Mormonism" was so that he could marry his "hot" wife (who is a Mormon)."

RnMomof7: Not true.. .that is the excuse Christians give for him. Here is his “testimony”

Thanks! I see it was mainly his "special needs" daughter, and the "love" expressed by his friend (who is a Mormon), that influenced he and his wife into attending that church, NOT LDS "DOCTRINE".

I'm sure you agree with this without qualification, don't you?

[Tennessee Nana]

Me too...

I’ll go to conservative political meetings gladly...

But when it comes to religion, I go only to those I know believe as I do...

The Blood of Jesus shed on the Cross
The death and resurection of Jesus for salvation
Jesus as Savior “It is finished”
The Trinity
The Virgin birth

etc

Mormonism has none of those beliefs..

[RnMomof7]

If his approach brings one person to someone’s House of Prayer because of a new found love of Christ or whatever God they wish to pray for then all is well. As long as that religion practice’s love of neighbor and peace in the world I have no problems with it.

What Christ?

Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here [is] Christ, or there; believe [it] not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Mar 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here [is] Christ; or, lo, [he is] there; believe [him] not:

If going to hell is fine then all is indeed fine..because under no other Christ is there salvation

[circlecity]

"Well then, Beck’s whole point was to get back to the founding principles and of personal choice with basic Jewdao/Christian principles."

How could that be his point when he is a memeber of a church that completely rejects basic JewdeoChristian principes?

[RnMomof7]

I do not believe that is true BY BECKS OWN UTUBE TESTIMONY That would make the great teacher of morality a liar ...is he a liar?

[Tennessee Nana]

He has said that we (WE as in NOT HE) need to decide what church is right for us.”
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Gollies

didnt Joey Smith claim that was a problem he had once ???

[svcw]

Ok, then I show you the quote and yet you do not believe it. To each his own, after all you believe Joseph Smith.

[CynicalBear]

>>How could that be his point when he is a memeber of a church that completely rejects basic JewdeoChristian principes?<<

Whaaaaaat? Pray tell what you think Jewdeo/Christian principls are.

Surely it can’t be the belief that Jesus is the Messiah.

[greyfoxx39]

Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. -- Jesus (Mark 16:16)

Mormonism claims the only "authority" to baptize...something left out of your post.

One must have the proper authority to baptize. Mormons believe that only members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who hold the Aaronic Priesthood hold the keys of baptism. The keys were handed down from John the Baptist (who appeared as a resurrected being) to Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery when the Church was restored.

Not just anyone can perform baptisms. The power to baptize comes from the Lord. In 3 Nephi 11:19-21, (Book of Mormon) the Lord gives Nephi the power to baptize in His name. The authority must be valid, coming from the Lord."

Link

[Tennessee Nana]

Becks speeches were full of examples of mormon doctrine...

They were discussed in prior threads this week...

complete with videos

[svcw]

Except it is your leaders who say that lds do not worship the Christ of the Bible. It is your leaders who say you must pass by Joseph Smith to reach heaven. It is Joseph Smith himself who says he is greater than Christ.
So who is it that in Grace offers Salvation?

[Tennessee Nana]

Oh SNAP

:)

[Normandy]

For the record, svcw, no LDS leader has said we don’t worship the Christ of the Bible.

[RnMomof7]

Here is the utube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulPDdkWAzjM

She was NOT a mormon ...She said she would not marry them unless they had a church.. they chose mormonism together..see his testimony on u tube for the whole story

[svcw]

Brilliant