Posted on 09/01/2010 11:55:59 AM PDT by NYer
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Of possible interest.
I personally consider gender irrelevant when judging one’s qualifications to be a Christian leader, but I respect the RCC’s right to its own philosophy and have no desire to protest it. The trouble with choosing to follow an ancient establishment is that you don’t get to make the rules, nor does your opinion count. Take it or leave it, but don’t embarrass yourself trying to change it.
My problem with most people who advocate female priesthood is that they don’t stop at advocating female priesthood.
Great article. I have bookmarked for future reference.
As an aside, I serve on my local archdiocese pastoral council. We recently had a brief discussion on the role of women in the church. The topic was brought up by a gentleman with two daughters, and his complaint was “there’s nothing for my girls to do to serve the Church or feel important in the Church” because they can’t be priests.
I found it interesting that a man was the one so insistent in discussing this, and he brought it up in a room with women that were nuns, catechists, RCIA instructors, lay Franciscans, lectors, eucharistic ministers, retreat leaders, case sponsors for the tribunal, an officer of the National Catholic Council of women...you know...a bunch of women not serving the Church or doing anything important.
Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and Confessional Lutherans are in agreement that WO is contrary to Holy Tradition. The Pope was correct when he stated that the Church does not have the authority to ordain women. All the arguments for the ordination of women are based upon a secular ideology, not upon biblical grounds. In fact, in order to rationalize the acceptance of WO you have to deconstruct Bible and Tradition.
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When women are ordinated in the Roman Catholic Church, I will find myself a new Church.
Lol!! That truly is amusing. Reality is staring him in the face and he can't see it. Just curious but do you know if his daughters once served as acolytes?
This article is about the priesthood. Priests are servants, not leaders.
The trouble with choosing to follow an ancient establishment is that you don’t get to make the rules, nor does your opinion count. Take it or leave it, but don’t embarrass yourself trying to change it.
You are absolutely right. In this instance, the "rules" were established by God, not the Church.
I don’t know. My daughter just started altar serving at our parish though and she loves it. And as a matter of record, she feels in no way slighted that being a priest is not in her future. She understands that the priest acts in persona Christi, and she finds the notion of a woman “playing the part” of Jesus ridiculous. She sees it as the equivalent of casting a man in a woman’s role in a movie. She doesn’t worry about women not being priests any more than she worries about a boy playing the Virgin Mary in a live nativity. LOL!
You have done an excellent job of educating your daughter. Many parents have a very different view of this as one of equality. I have also seen situations where once girls were allowed to serve, boys were no longer interested. Your daughter has a healthy understanding of altar service, thanks to you.
Strange, this is one instance when the Catholic Church — all rites — follow the Bible.
Where are the Bible believers on this? Saying that women can be deacons and priests. Doesn’t make sense to me at all.
**Jesus’ “exclusion” of women from the priest was culturally based and therefore reformable.**
Shocker! People of the modern era (modernism) know better than Christ/God?
I don’t think so.
My original interpretation of your incident was that the man was attempting to garner support from the women in attendance and embarrass those clergy in attendance. This is the usual MO of many of these types.
Oh, where is the priestesses' compassion and empathy for the unborn, then? How about their compassion for children placed for adoption with homosexuals?
I’m not really responding to you, NYer, you just happen to be the person whose name was attached to the “reply” button. I figured I would throw my view on this out, so that it’s said and so if I ever forget someone can point this out to remind me. :-D
I consider myself Catholic, but acknowledge that I am not Roman Catholic.
I am not against the ordination of women into the clergy.
I AM, however, against the ordination of women into the clergy of a church that does not allow for the ordination of women.
In other words, the Roman Catholic Church has its reasons for not allowing the ordination of women, and I fully support that. I will always stand by my Roman Catholic peers in this position.
The Anglican Communion (for the most part) does not allow for the ordination of women. I support this.
The Orthodox churches don’t do it either, and I stand with them.
The Episcopal Church allows the ordination of women, and even has female Bishops. But the Episcopal church has gone bats#!7 crazy recently, so I’ll let them do what they want and focus my attention on something I can actually handle.
I have no problem with women in the clergy. But then, I have no problem with chocolate chip pancakes smothered in chocolate sauce and covered in whipped cream, but I’m sure as hell not going to eat something like that. In other words, let well enough alone and respect that the church has its rules and reasons for its rules, and stop trying to change it!
(I know you aren’t trying to change it NYer. I was waxing philosophical, but you probably know that from my other posts.)
Which proved she was more interested in promoting herself as a woman than she was in God.
This isnt about the Priesthood, It is about their feminist views.
I have no problem with women in the clergy.
Can you be more specific about the term 'clergy'? What constitutes clergy and by whose authority do these clergy have the right to lead. This is not a trick question. I am seriously interested in your response.
You also wrote:
I consider myself Catholic, but acknowledge that I am not Roman Catholic.
Here again, I am a bit confused. Although it is not widely known in our Western world, the Catholic Church is actually a communion of Churches. According to the Constitution on the Church of the Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium, the Catholic Church is understood to be "a corporate body of Churches," united with the Pope of Rome, who serves as the guardian of unity (LG, no. 23). At present there are 22 Churches that comprise the Catholic Church. The new Code of Canon Law, promulgated by Pope John Paul II, uses the phrase "autonomous ritual Churches" to describe these various Churches (canon 112). Each Church has its own hierarchy, spirituality, and theological perspective. Because of the particularities of history, there is only one Western Catholic Church, while there are 21 Eastern Catholic Churches. The Western Church, known officially as the Latin Church, is the largest of the Catholic Churches. It is immediately subject to the Roman Pontiff as Patriarch of the West. The Eastern Catholic Churches are each led by a Patriarch, Major Archbishop, or Metropolitan, who governs their Church together with a synod of bishops. Through the Congregation for Oriental Churches, the Roman Pontiff works to assure the health and well-being of the Eastern Catholic Churches.
While this diversity within the one Catholic Church can appear confusing at first, it in no way compromises the Church's unity. In a certain sense, it is a reflection of the mystery of the Trinity. Just as God is three Persons, yet one God, so the Church is 22 Churches, yet one Church.
Do you consider yourself a member of any of those 22 Catholic Churches?
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