[betty boop]

That which can be reasoned to a conclusion no longer requires faith.

I disagree. That which can be reasoned to a conclusion depends on faith — for there needs to be a standard by which conclusions can be reached/judged — that is, adjudged truthful and not otherwise.

If there is no firm criterion of judgment, there can be no truth.

Thus it follows that there is no criterion of truth without faith....

Well dear folks, anybody interested at least, try that idea on for size.... And get back to me if you feel like it.

[Quix]

Sounds pretty plausible.

However, am sleepy enough I wouldn’t guarantee it.

Heading to bed.

Thx thx.

[roamer_1]

I disagree. That which can be reasoned to a conclusion depends on faith — for there needs to be a standard by which conclusions can be reached/judged — that is, adjudged truthful and not otherwise.

Having determined the Bible to be the Word of God, I have an unswerving criteria. Therein is the truth, period. And I do not speak from faith. I KNOW (reasoned to a conclusion).

If there is no firm criterion of judgment, there can be no truth.

Reason affords no criteria. Standards must be set in stone. Yet there are many disciplines revolving around critical thinking. Many criteria, many rulesets.

Discernment, or what y'all seem to know as grace, is another matter. Many who don't believe have reason - Atheists are among the most prolific practitioners of reason. But discernment, that is a function of the Spirit. Faith is certainly involved in discernment.