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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Legatus; Alex Murphy
these souls enjoy and will eternally enjoy a state of perfect natural happiness

More RC double-speak. The quote you cite doesn't say "heaven," does it? It doesn't say infants will be in the presence of God or see His face.

"Perfect natural happiness." lol. I prefer the supernatural happiness of heaven.

I bet those babies supposedly in Limbo would prefer that, too.

The Catholic Encyclopedia is not official Catholic teaching thus it is unfair for you to attack it. tch tch

Now this is official:

CCC 1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them," allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism.

Oh wait! The best the Catholic Church can do is hold out "hope" for the salvation of unbaptized children.

Never mind.


5,830 posted on 09/17/2010 9:14:06 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE

I do not like your gif.

There’s no room for cranky old fogeys on this forum.


5,831 posted on 09/17/2010 9:17:32 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: OLD REGGIE
Oh wait! The best the Catholic Church can do is hold out "hope" for the salvation of unbaptized children.

In the HOPE that someone is actually paying attention...

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Hope

1817 Hope is the theological virtue by which we desire the kingdom of heaven and eternal life as our happiness, placing our trust in Christ's promises and relying not on our own strength, but on the help of the grace of the Holy Spirit. "Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful."84 "The Holy Spirit . . . he poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that we might be justified by his grace and become heirs in hope of eternal life."85

1818 The virtue of hope responds to the aspiration to happiness which God has placed in the heart of every man; it takes up the hopes that inspire men's activities and purifies them so as to order them to the Kingdom of heaven; it keeps man from discouragement; it sustains him during times of abandonment; it opens up his heart in expectation of eternal beatitude. Buoyed up by hope, he is preserved from selfishness and led to the happiness that flows from charity.

1819 Christian hope takes up and fulfills the hope of the chosen people which has its origin and model in the hope of Abraham, who was blessed abundantly by the promises of God fulfilled in Isaac, and who was purified by the test of the sacrifice.86 "Hoping against hope, he believed, and thus became the father of many nations."87

1820 Christian hope unfolds from the beginning of Jesus' preaching in the proclamation of the beatitudes. The beatitudes raise our hope toward heaven as the new Promised Land; they trace the path that leads through the trials that await the disciples of Jesus. But through the merits of Jesus Christ and of his Passion, God keeps us in the "hope that does not disappoint."88 Hope is the "sure and steadfast anchor of the soul . . . that enters . . . where Jesus has gone as a forerunner on our behalf."89 Hope is also a weapon that protects us in the struggle of salvation: "Let us . . . put on the breastplate of faith and charity, and for a helmet the hope of salvation."90 It affords us joy even under trial: "Rejoice in your hope, be patient in tribulation."91 Hope is expressed and nourished in prayer, especially in the Our Father, the summary of everything that hope leads us to desire.

1821 We can therefore hope in the glory of heaven promised by God to those who love him and do his will.92 In every circumstance, each one of us should hope, with the grace of God, to persevere "to the end"93 and to obtain the joy of heaven, as God's eternal reward for the good works accomplished with the grace of Christ. In hope, the Church prays for "all men to be saved."94 She longs to be united with Christ, her Bridegroom, in the glory of heaven:

Hope, O my soul, hope. You know neither the day nor the hour. Watch carefully, for everything passes quickly, even though your impatience makes doubtful what is certain, and turns a very short time into a long one. Dream that the more you struggle, the more you prove the love that you bear your God, and the more you will rejoice one day with your Beloved, in a happiness and rapture that can never end.95
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I HOPE that takes care of the disparagement of "hope".

5,834 posted on 09/17/2010 9:27:27 AM PDT by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: OLD REGGIE

ROTFLOL!!!

Hoisted by their own petards. (What exactly is a petard and how is it hoisted?)


5,844 posted on 09/17/2010 10:09:05 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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