[betty boop]

It is not the wisdom of words, but the Word of Wisdom which Saint Paul offers as the criterion of both truth and salvation.

Philosophy and reason itself are subject to the Logos, the Word of Truth, which is our Salvation. John Paul II is here clearly stating that "man is not the measure," and cannot be the measure. Certainly the brilliant and philosophically well-educated Saint Paul knew that HE was not the measure, and never could be....

Where is the one who is wise? Where is the learned? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

Thank you so much, Legatus, for this splendid excerpt from Fides et Ratio!

[Mad Dawg]

In this connection it may be good to observe that, more and more, Reason and Logic are considered the rules of functioning of the meat computer. But I think they used to be viewed more humanely.

Our dispensationalist friends often speak of "rightly divided" and at the core of Logos is idea with the sense of 'reckoning' or even 'gathering'. The "lect" in collection shares a root with logos.

The sense of ratio, of order, which is of course bound up with logos, we share somewhat with lower animals. I note at least that cats seem to have a sense of spacial order and like to put themselves in places with special, though merely visual, characteristics.

Be that as it may, I think it NOT good to think of reason in the modern, materialist way of being the specifications for the meat computer in our skulls.

[Alamo-Girl]

Philosophy and reason itself are subject to the Logos, the Word of Truth, which is our Salvation.

Indeed. Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dearest sister in Christ!