[HarleyD]

But I am bewildered why Calvinists think others are proud, when it is the Calvinists who teach that "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated"...without ever realizing that was written over a thousand years after Jacob & Esau.

I wouldn't characterize them as proud. Rather I would say they have not moved from the elementary understanding of the scriptures. There is in all of us a tendancy not to acknowledge God working in everything. Until one comes to the conclusion that God controls everything-even making the blind to see-we cannot move on to the meat of the gospel.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Amen, Harleyd.

"Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the Lord hath wrought this?

In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind." -- Job 12:9-10