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To: RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; Coleus; narses; annalex; Campion; don-o; ...
Here is what Dr. E. originally wrote:

Sadly, Rome teaches that unbaptized babies do not go to heaven but to a fictional land called Limbo where they are deprived of the presence of God for eternity.

That is UNTRUE as I pointed out.

The Church has NEVER suggested Limbo as anything more than a THEORY. The Church has NEVER definitively stated that where the unborn/unbaptized are. And there has certainly NEVER been even a suggestion that they would be denied the presence of God for eternity.

As I stated, theologians through history have WANTED to find Scripture that could be used to definitively stated that these children were in Heaven; unfortunately, such Scripture does not exist. If there was even the flimsiest way to justify their Salvation from the Bible, that would have been Church teaching from the beginning.

I think this sets the church up to declare a new sacrament..abortion.. after all ..all those babies are assured heaven.. something they just might be denied if they actually lived.

I've given this one A LOT of thought. The Holy Innocents are martyrs because they died FOR Christ. The only way I could see aborted babies granted martyr status is to proclaim (and I would not disagree with this) that abortion is a tool of Satan that is used by his spawn to destroy Christianity.

5,667 posted on 09/16/2010 1:27:33 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Of course it’s just ‘pretend’ to act as if the most spiteful among the elect (in their own eyes at least) were concerned about truth. I’m developing the theory - well, conjecture, that they really are proto Nietzchians (no, I can’t spell that) who are really focussed on conquest.

I think to be reckoned a martyr one has to die because your killer hated your being an Xtian. Am I right?


5,687 posted on 09/16/2010 4:29:21 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: wagglebee; RnMomof7; metmom; HarleyD; count-your-change; boatbums; wmfights; Gamecock; ...
The Church has NEVER suggested Limbo as anything more than a THEORY

LOLOL. Times change and so does Rome, eh?

Sorry, but Limbo was taught as doctrine by the Roman Catholic church for decades if not centuries.

Consider the Baltimore Catechism (keeping in mind you said Rome has "NEVER suggested Limbo as anything more than a THEORY"...)

BALTIMORE CATECHISM

Q. 402. Did Christ's soul descend into the hell of the damned?

A. The hell into which Christ's soul descended was not the hell of the dammed, but a place or state of rest called Limbo, where the souls of the just were waiting for Him.

Q. 403. Why did Christ descend into Limbo?

A. Christ descended into Limbo to preach to the souls who were in prison -- that is, to announce to them the joyful tidings of their redemption.

Q. 404. Where was Christ's body while His soul was in Limbo?

A. While Christ's soul was in Limbo His body was in the holy sepulchre.

YADA YADA YADA...

5,715 posted on 09/16/2010 7:24:24 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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