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To: Dr. Eckleburg; metmom; RnMomof7; blue-duncan; HarleyD; 1000 silverlings; Iscool; kevao; ...

It was a good sales job, wasn't it, considering the customers he had to deal with, i.e. mixed families? He knew nothing would turn a mother interested in Christianity away more then to tell her that her children are not saved by an all-loving God just because her husband is a life-long pagan! That would have been quite counterproductive.

So, being clever, he told them what they wanted to hear.  After all Paul sought to "please all men in all things," and I am content to see him in light of his own brutally honest words:

"For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a slave to all, so that I may win more. To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law; to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without law. To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some." [1 Cor 9 :19-22]

So, you suggesting that the children of Christians are automatically saved? Oy!

Where is this responsibility mentioned in the Bible? If God decided to save your children that would be a decision he had made before you even existed and certainly irrespective  of your works. You might as well just sit back and relax and the end result will be the same.

If they are "saved" the Spirit will tell them what to do. Your responsibility ended when you gave birth. The Bible says be "fruitful and multiply." It says nothing about raising children to kneel before Christ.

5,650 posted on 09/16/2010 12:28:18 PM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: kosta50
Well, you can think Paul is just offering a competent "sales job," but I have put his teaching into practice and seen the benefit of it.

Good trees produce good fruit, as Christ told us.

It says nothing about raising children to kneel before Christ.

Apparently you've never read Proverbs. Or...

"For if ye turn again unto the LORD, your brethren and your children shall find compassion before them that lead them captive, so that they shall come again into this land: for the LORD your God is gracious and merciful, and will not turn away his face from you, if ye return unto him. " -- 2 Chronicles 30:9


"And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord." -- Ephesians 8:6


5,657 posted on 09/16/2010 12:55:30 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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The Bible says be "fruitful and multiply." It says nothing about raising children to kneel before Christ.

Ephesians 6:4

And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.

5,702 posted on 09/16/2010 6:29:18 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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