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To: RnMomof7; maryz; metmom
1215 This sacrament is also called "the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit," for it signifies and actually brings about the birth of water and the Spirit without which no one "can enter the kingdom of God."

The phrase "without which" here refers to the birth of water and Spirit. The Catechism says that baptism "actually brings about" this birth, but it DOES NOT say that this is the only manner with which this birth can occur (the Holy Innocents have ALWAYS been considered Christian martyrs and saints, though they were never baptized).

5,520 posted on 09/16/2010 7:35:13 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
The phrase "without which" here refers to the birth of water and Spirit. The Catechism says that baptism "actually brings about" this birth, but it DOES NOT say that this is the only manner with which this birth can occur (the Holy Innocents have ALWAYS been considered Christian martyrs and saints, though they were never baptized).

Come on wag, you know what it says in Catholic doctrine. making doctrine from silence is where cafeteria catholics come from..

The church clearly teaches that baptism is a necessity for salvation, which is why infants are baptized..

5,536 posted on 09/16/2010 8:00:16 AM PDT by RnMomof7 (Jhn 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.)
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