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To: D-fendr; boatbums
no matter if they die in the womb, in childbirth at on their first birthday - hell.

Wrong. Calvinists believe children or those who die before birth are saved exactly the same way you and I are saved -- by grace.

We can't earn our salvation. Babies can't earn their salvation.

Grace is the supernatural act of God whereby He brings to Himself those who are His. God determines the length of our days. God is responsible for those babies; He is responsible for their short lifetimes. We can be confident He brings them all to Himself.

It's the Roman Catholic who worries that if a child is not baptized he will spend eternity in purgatory, away from the face of God.

Barbaric.

5,360 posted on 09/15/2010 6:58:08 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
>>>"Some fetuses in the womb are created for hell. Before they can want, think or poop; no matter if they die in the womb, in childbirth at on their first birthday - hell.

Wrong. We can be confident He brings them all to Himself.

I think we've been here before, but I'm not sure. Are you saying:

- All babies who die are elect? Or:

- Non-elect babies who die are changed to elect.

5,382 posted on 09/15/2010 7:41:15 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"It's the Roman Catholic who worries that if a child is not baptized he will spend eternity in purgatory, away from the face of God."

Certainly not this Catholic, nor any of the Catholics I interact with. Perhaps you are referring to some irreligious or former Catholics.

5,408 posted on 09/15/2010 8:50:21 PM PDT by Natural Law (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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