Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
Don't hold your breath. I've provided this same information on multiple occasions with no acknowledgment or affect. Apparently it doesn't fit the anti-Catholic rubric or paint the Church in an unflattering light.
So the engineer reports to the gates of hell and is let in. Pretty soon, the engineer gets dissatisfied with the level of comfort in hell, and starts designing and building improvements. After a while, they've got air conditioning, flush toilets and escalators, and the engineer is becoming a pretty popular guy.DISCLAIMER: I'm an engineer and I approve this post :)
One day God calls Satan up on the telephone and asks with a sneer, "So, how's it going down there in hell?"
Satan replies, "Hey, things are going great. We've got air conditioning, flush toilets and escalators, and there's no telling what this engineer is going to come up with next."
God replies, "What??? You've got an engineer? That's a mistake — engineers belong in heaven, he should never have gotten down there; send him up here."
Satan says, "No way! I like having an engineer on the staff, and I'm keeping him."
God says, "Send him back up here or I'll sue."
Satan laughs uproariously and answers, "Yeah right. And how are you going to do THAT? I have all the lawyers down here."
The story was correct, I am familiar with both churches she attended.
well, I’ve not seen any non-Catholic who wasn’t Calvinist (exceptions being Quix, Old Reggie, Uri’el-2012 and Iscool) come on these threads and debate Calvinist theology for nearly a year. The last was sometime in 2009 September with Mr. R
That is so funny.
I remember why I left the religion forum.
What’s the point in that?
I’ve often wondered if some well-known leftist at a place like the NYT was to write an article entitled “The Evils of Catholicism” what the reaction would be.
The article could go through a whole litany of things, but conclude by saying that the real evil is in the opposition to abortion, pre-marital sex and homosexuality. Would the anti-Catholics even read it or would they just jump on board?
Do the anti-Catholics realize that they are playing into the left’s hand? The left DOES NOT CARE what the Church believes about the Blessed Mother, Baptism, the Eucharist or anything else that gets discussed on these threads. The left doesn’t actually even care about any clerical abuse that happened in the past. The left wants to destroy the Church because of its stand on moral issues (moral issues that evangelical Protestants claim to agree on) and nothing else.
Fourthly, this thread has a number of non-Calvinists -- Quix (pentecostal) for one and a couple of lutherans and I would wager Iscool (though not sure if he follows the Arminian or Calvinist belief in double predestination), so there are a wide range of viewpoints and you can't say "Calvinist thought is winning" as plainly Pentecostals (for example) are NOT Calvinistic in the main.
And yet ALL believe salvation is by Grace alone Thru Faith Alone in Christ Alone.
Family infighting, but family. Did not the apostles fight amongst themselves? The Corinthian church? Remember the east, west split?
We will all have perfect theology in heaven when we are taught face to face by Jesus Christ.
well, at least one freeper on the other thread seems to go on about “John Wesley and his dogma of Universal Infant Damnation for unbaptized infants.” —> strangely, I’ve never heard that one before.
There are no reports that Mary was IN CHARGE of such educational efforts—just that she taught at least ONE small group the ways of God.
Angels and others are reportedly teaching other groups.
. . . Jesse Du Plantis has one interesting report on such. He was formerly an RC, BTW.
He has a website. Don’t have the precise link handy.
I think some of his narrative is on YouTube.
HE’S QUITE AN ENTERTAINING CHARACTER. Strikes me as rather authentic, however. And congruent with other of the more credible variety of such visitations.
Let me see . . .
FIRST ONE OF 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5DSDKisOeA
2 of 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_BSi7DBmSM&feature=related
There is a verifiable follow-on to Jesse’s Heavenly 5 earth hours visit . . .
BECAUSE of his being in Heaven, He was late to the service to speak in a large congregation church.
As he walked up the asile from the back, he noticed that people were uncommonly staring at him.
He later found out his face, head, were greatly glowing with a moderately bright light from his being in God’s presence.
The pastor and folks from that service have testified to that fact.
Just as long as it’s not a ZEN BUDDHIST.
. . . toooo many long sounds of silence between the one hand clapping could mess up the count.
As could tooo many irregular
“OOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMM’s”
Maybe I’m not awake yet. I don’t get your distinction or point.
The man that is regenerate has a truly free will.He can choose to sin or not sin ... to obey or not obey
The historical protestant perspective is Before the fall, men could chose to sin or not sin..a totally free will
After the fall men will always choose sin ( in Gods eyes)
After a man is regenerate he is restored to the moral creation state with the ability to choose good or evil
So the elect have the full ability to choose was they will.
God placed us where he wanted us, and we will desire to move where he wants us to move and so we will chose to move there. We are free to move where He does not want us.. but then He always knew where we would move and that is a part of His eternal plan
When God desires to speak though us He will, when God desires us to do something He will complete that work by giving us the desire to do it
The saved have the free will to make non-spiritual, non-salvific choices, what to eat, where to eat, when to eat, etc.
The unregenerate man is free to sin , the regenerate man is free not to sin .
Certain Calvinists are just more inclined to be honest about what Calvinism really teaches than others are, they are quite similar to Muslims in that regard.
Come on wag, you know what it says in Catholic doctrine. making doctrine from silence is where cafeteria catholics come from..
The church clearly teaches that baptism is a necessity for salvation, which is why infants are baptized..
I don't care how many witnesses there are, if Jesus Christ is sad and depressed and requires a comforting hug from one of His creatures then there's just no point to any of this.
Is the framework faulty..in the basic catechism built on error? Is it a lie? Simple question NL.. is it a house built on sand?
Remember the overarching principle here: We are "bound" by the Sacraments, GOD is not.
Sponsored or offered by whom? Is there an Internet link?
Again, most of the things Jesus says in the NT is rejected by the Jews because an observant Jew would never say them. Likewise, no rabbi will ever quote Jesus.
I've read that at the time of Christ there was vigorous discussion about that very thing and that this is the background to be understood in the account of The Good Samaritan.
Samaritans are Jews. The concept of "neighbor" or someone "closely related" applies to them, so the idea of loving your "neighbor" would apply to them in the Biblical sense, but not to the Greeks and other Goyim.
The Bible always distinguishes between the Gentiles and the Samaritans and for a good reason; the Samaritans are never to be confused with the Gentiles.
You can think of them as Jewish "Protestants." The reason they were despised is because of their "heretical" belief that the Temple does not belong in Jerusalem.
In fact they still have their Temple on Mount Gerizim (the Romans never destroyed that one), priesthood, and they still practice ancient sacrificial (blood and guts) type of Judaism. The only problem is that there are about 700 of them left.
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