Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
hey, I'm missing out! I want stars on my collar!
Romans 9-11 discusses CORPORATE ELECTION. It was Calvin’s misunderstanding that made it individual election. The Jews were elect in Israel, and we are elect in Christ.
As I have posted many times in the last day.
I recommend reading
or, if you don’t want to wade thru a dissertation, then read here:
http://evangelicalarminians.org/Abasciano-Clearing-Up-Misconceptions-about-Corporate-Election
“lastly, you never will answer what the rock is that the Church is founded on will you?”
Will this help you?
“For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.” 1 Cor 3
Yes, and I specified that God reaches out to us while we were yet sinners...didn’t I.
and who do you say that Christ is?
AMEN!
As to your little anecdote that the behavior of other children led you to Christ, it doesn't wash either.Using that criterion, if they had beeen exemplary Mormons, you would then have become a Mormon. If Scientologists, one of them. If it was a party of monks, you'd be Buddhist.
AMEN! Right living is NOT what saves us. Right living is a result of being saved. The RCs have it wrong. The Mormons have it wrong. The Scientologists have it wrong. And the Arminians have it wrong.
How can anyone read Toplady's "Arminianism, the Road Back to Rome" and not see that grace is free and salvation is according to the will of God and not men?
The Reformation was fought for this very reason. Either salvation is men's decision or God's decision. Arminius was a solid Calvinist until he spent months in Rome and returned to lead the Counter Reformation against the doctrines of grace.
Sadly, he has succeeded beyond even his imagining.
But it's not over yet.
You and I are seeing things from different prisms.
Mine is as I described it.
Your impressions—from the outside now-—are as you see it.
In the end, the Lord will sort it all out.
Also, I don’t find it necessary to re-visit my Protestant roots to come back and make a report of them.
I’ve lived long enough to know that the Lord knows His own and that He knows how He is working in our lives.
“and who do you say that Christ is?”
If that is the best you can offer, read my tagline.
I didn’t say right living saves us. I said the witness of Christians and the Gospel they told me led me to repent. I didn’t have the option of smiling and claiming to be the pretty one...
thank you Mr Rogers, I do believe you have revealed your true self to us-— finally
It's really fascinating to witness the Arminian's rebuttal to every historic, orthodox understanding of Scripture by placing some "exception" to the clear meaning of God's word.
Corporate election?
God saves individuals as well as nations. He calls a people to Himself; a people who were chosen by Him from before the foundation of the word.
Either that, or they chose themselves.
Sadly, that works fine for politics, but not theology.
Salvation is of the Lord.
1Cr 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty
You know on the day of my salvation I kept asking "why me Lord? why me?" The above scripture is the best answer I have ever found ...I am nothing, I have not one thing to commend me to a Holy and righteous God.. I fall on my knees in gratitude that he has adopted me to be His own ...
I was saved by HIS grace and Mercy, not because I was smarter,or more holy or more clever than the unsaved ..but just because HE set his love on me
I do not have to revisit it.. I live in the midst of it..
I am commanded to present the gospel to all men .. God will indeed judge who will enter into His presence..not Peter
Is it really necessary to mock fellow Christians? Can’t we discuss doctrinal differences without belittling others? It sure would be refreshing.
And yet you have because the Arminian is smarter and more pious than his neighbor next door who doesn't believe. The Arminian chooses correctly all by his lonesome. Congratulations. Well done. Good work.
Funny, too, how your analogy is shrouded in sexism.
As 1000silverlings noted, your tag fits right it.
I've noticed that when Roman Catholics are losing the arguments on some of these threads, certain Arminian posters pop up and derail the discussion.
Perhaps that's their intent.
Thank you.
You are right.
I made no mention of Peter.
I'm not even a part of this conversation and I'm too wiped out to think about joining.
But one thing that always gets my attention is the possibility that a set of choices are not exhaustive
Maybe God has more free will but chooses to give some up. That could be a possibility, no? And maybe there are others.
the ecumenical threads are for that and the closed ones. Steel sharpens steel, lay on McDuff and all that. A sense of humor is not required but appreciated.
I believe the "church" today is every bit the same as it was in the first century. It is the spiritual body of Christ composed of all who are born again. Many still pay a high cost for their faith - we are lucky we live in a free country - at least for now, that is. My point was that Paul was speaking to a group of people that he really had no way of knowing what was in each one's heart about the faith. We can read his words today and know they apply to all true Christians for all time and not just to a specific group.
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