Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Within the past 6 weeks that was done to me. Where were you guys then>?
I didn’t see or didn’t notice an instance or, a continued and deliberate series of posts, such as that.
I will defend your honor and integrity while, at the same time, say you are frequently in error (by my standards).
I believe the “some” 1000 silverlings refers to is a single individual who has made the same disenguous post time after time.
Further, I believe you know that very well. It’s perhaps time to police a few of your “out of control” compatriots even if by freepmail.
I agree entirely.
However, I think Mad Dawg spends more time than they are worth trying to write sense into their thick noggins.
JesseAM,
Thanks for bothering at all with this.
God be with you always and all ways.
Joya
I love that word. Would I be out of place if I used that single word as a reply when I felt it was appropriate? :-)
GREAT QUESTION. I’LL EAGERLY AWAIT THE ANSWER.
Please ping me if you get a meaningful answer before Jesus comes.
Some people have carved out
whole new avocations, jobs, hobbies, obsessions, . . . just to fabricate horrid hogwash against Proddys . . . at least against 2 of us! LOL.
However, at the rate you’re going, they’ll likely add you to the list. LOL.
MUCH AGREE .THX.
When I was about 8 or 10,I was sitting on the landing eavesdropping on a political discussion between my dad and some of his friends. He said "if they want to implement the 'new world order' all they have to do is try to replicate biblical prophecy and make westerners believe the end of the world is coming and that is just what those Brits are doing".
He also felt that we did not study history and learn from it,I think he was right on all counts.
That overheard conversation occurred shortly after WWll ended and I fear that my dad was right. We really need to seek and speak Truth and act in Truth while praying unceasingly and we can "overcome" but we need to stop this bickering and act as one in Christ.
I wish all my ideas were real...
Mad Dawg, this is Twilight Zone stuff...Something doesn't become real by thinking it...
But I can say that when that idea is instantiated, that is when it is "joined" to matter (whether "spiritual" or "natural" matter), I have before me Jesus Christ
I have an idea that my truck is a brand new dual wheel F350 but alas, when my head clears, it's the same of clunker than it was before the idea was conceived...
The reality is; the idea combined with matter may make a change 'in your head' but it's the same old thing you started with...The matter doesn't change...The substance doesn't change no matter how vivid the idea is...
Agreed. Imho, there is little doubt.
There is certainly some validity to that theory.
You must mean 'unless you are Catholic', because that appears to be the hallmark of Catholic Christianity on FR...
So then the question is how and to what extent is partaking of both kinds necessary. For example, would it be necessary for whom gluten provokes a nasty reaction to partake of the Sacred Body, even though the 'accidents' remain? What EXACTLY would someone who could not safely eat the "accidents" of bread be missing if he only received the Precious Blood.
Have we not heard time after time that the bread becomes no longer bread, except in touch, taste, appearance, sound and taste???
Well I'll be in good company then...
A few words from the late Dietrich Von Hildebrand comes to mind too..
“… mindful of the words of Our Lord, “I came not to send peace, but the sword” (Matt. 10:34), we should be warriors of Christ. The holy Church on earth is called ecclesia militaris (“the Church militant”). We cannot at the same time hunger and thirst after justice—an inherent basic attitude of the true Christian—and be at universal peace with the doers of evil and the unjust. The meek St. John the Evangelist goes so far as to advise the faithful against greeting heretics (2 John 10-11).”-Dietrich Von Hildebrand -Transformation in Christ, 349-350.
If that is so and this is the obvious correct interpretation - as I believe it is - then whatever further conclusions necessarily result from it, well, are the result of the most correct interpretation.
Ok, first of all I need to make a very important point:
Earlier this year I bought 12 pairs of socks, 6 of those pairs are matching socks. I threw out every other pair of socks I owned. Now I was just in the bedroom going through my sock drawer and there are thirteen socks in there and no two of them match. I believe, mathematically that’s impossible! On top of that, WHERE are the other 11 socks?!
It is in this state of mind that I respond, so be advised.
What, my dear brethren, would you have me do? Channel Cato and end every post with “Furthermore I believe the vile heretic Quix should be put down like a Carthaginian elephant”? How’s that working out for everyone else anyhow? Making lots of progress on that front are you?
Look, if I spent my time pinning down everyone who said or wrote something that confused, offended, angered or saddened me I’d never get anything else done. We pick our battles and this is NOT the hill I want to die on.
I know there are wiser minds than my own on this forum and everyone approaches each situation according to their own understanding. I understand this much about myself, if I wrap myself in the Vatican flag and charge into battle with a statue of the Sacred Heart on my right and a statue of Our Lady on my left and just let it all hang out I’ll get zotted so hard and fast I’ll leave a mark across the entire series of tubes. I have a great deal of difficulty finding a happy medium, I can either be “Humorous, Helpful and Odd” or I can be mean, nasty and self-righteous.
And I STILL won’t have all my socks!
“Furthermore I believe the vile heretic Quix should be put down like a Carthaginian elephant”
What a tag line!
Ceterum censeo Quix(otic) esse delendam!
I’m still wondering why so much of this thread has to be about one poster named Quix.
I thought that threads were supposed to be about topics and not principally about posters.
It’s getting tiresome.
This is all fine ,dear friend as long as we don't compromise our Catholic faith to reach out. Humility is the key(which we all have a hard time living out,especially me)
From the words of Blessed Saint Padre Pio ...
Humility, humility and always humility. Satan fears and trembles before humble souls. The Lord is willing to do great things but on condition that we are truly humble.-Saint Padre Pio
BTW, I enjoy how you present things in your posts. Socks-that was great!
If the idea isn't real what are you talking about? You mean making your ideas come to pass, but the idea itself is real whether or not you fulfill it. And the point was using an analogy "as ideas are real..."
The matter doesn't change...The substance doesn't change
As has been said many times, "substance" here is a term of art; it is not the same as matter.
I have an idea that my truck is a brand new dual wheel F350 but alas, when my head clears, it's the same of clunker than it was before the idea was conceived.
Your truck's matter has changed in some way every single instant that you have had it - from brand new until right now. But it is still your truck, You'd even say "I've had the same truck for five years now. But according to your "idea" of "real" this statement is not true about your truck, because its matter has changed.
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