That couldn't be a Unitarian thing -- Are there Dualitarians?
Inquiring minds want to know
;-)
Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
+++Matthew 25:
I was hungry and you gave me something to eat
What’s that all about, anyway++++
That does not say that one is saved by works does it?
This is the beginning of the teaching which spans 2 chapters.. it was to His men.
It is describing the work of the SHEEP.
The Sheep were not ever GOATS. the Goats never behaved like sheep
This was a judgment of rewards , not salvation .
Mat 16:27”For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father, with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.”
Luke 14:14”For thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.”
(Rev 22:12)”And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.”
1Peter 5:4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.”
The Goats are condemned , not because they did not work, but because they had never repented and believed
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
They were not sheep because they did the work that God had ordained for them, they did the work because they were the sheep.
Gal. 2:16: “[T]hat we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified
Here Jesus teaching on salvation by works
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
A good tree brings forth good fruit , that is fruit that is attached to the vine.
If it is not attached to the vine it bears no good fruit and it is thrown into the fire.
But you say, isn’t feeding the hungry and clothing the naked good work?
Jesus qualified that answer here is what HE said
A corrupt tree ( not attached to the vine can not do work that is pleasing to him, even if done in HIS name)
A good tree ( a sheep, a saved man) can not bring forth bad fruit.
He says the sheep were ministering to HIM as they ministered. The goats did not.
So the sheep did God pleasing work not to be saved, but because they were already His sheep ( saved) .
Rome doesn’t bother with such niceties. Rome prefers to inflict as much pain as possible as it torches and hacks to death its victims.
The truth isn't nice to some.
Besides, nothing in your post indicates that teaching about Christ results automatically in a death sentence in India.
It SEEMS that your side says that no one can do anything good at all unless they are Christian. For, you are monotheists. So there is no good unless it comes from God. But, you imply, if somebody who is not your kind of Christian does or says something which seems to be good , it isn't, because that would be God sharing his glory, which he does not do.
Therefore EITHER there is a source of good which is not God OR nobody but the right sort of professing Christian can do any good.
To me, both of those propositions are nonsense, so Mother Teresa is right when she says of "virtuous" adherents of other religions "then there is something else growing there."
You guys also clearly think that you make no mistake about God, for you insist that anyone who has a wrong idea about God thereby does not worship Him but a demon.
There are real problems with this view.
Some of them are, I think we're going to have to wait awhile for prices to start making sense. Books that I have on the phone don't go away if I lose cell signal. I'm not a kindle fan either, it's another thing to carry around but since I'm already carrying my iphone (yeah... that one) around I can dispense with cassettes, cds, camera, video camera, gps and now books.
I bought the first one 3 years ago just before I dragged my family across half the country to visit my parents, it paid for itself on the trip by saving us money on hotels and food. I've been hooked ever since and keep finding new ways to do old things easier. I just bought iphone4s for my wife and myself a few weeks ago, smartest money I've ever spent... other than that whole "it doesn't work as a phone because of the antenna" thing.
I didn't say it did. However, Scripture nowhere says those who don't do these things are saved.
Really? Your position is killing people softly makes them less dead? I can't imagine what your actual position is because what you wrote looks hilariously stereotypical.
"Ok, Mike, we're gonna kill ya, but we must observe the niceties so we're lining the guillotine with feathers."
What else do you call the Inquisitions? The St. Batholomew's Day Massacre? The Rwandan genocide?
Blood lust of a religion that demands Christ be re-sacrificed over and over, in defiance of Scripture.
Teach them the truth, not Rome's pathetic, sanctimonious, lying propaganda. Face the truth. It will set you free.
Another defect of pedal-to-the-metal sola fideism is the contempt for and misunderstanding of good works. Sure they SAY that we do good works as a response of love - - - right up until someone does exactly that.
Roman Catholic apologists look ridiculous trying to compare the death of one heretic whom Rome condemned to death to the MILLIONS of human beings slaughtered by Roman Catholic blood lust and tyranny.
As usual, Rome misses the point.
A difference apparently lost on all these FR Roman Catholics calling for a return to the Inquisition.
And you posted that without quotation marks as if your own words.
Did you just find out that was Calvin’s quote or did you know all along?
Just because I wouldn’t want you to miss the truth...
The difference between Rome and Calvin, of course, is that “punishment” according to Calvin meant a reprimand in the Sunday sermon whereas Rome’s “punishment” entails burning the heretic at the stake.
A difference apparently lost on all these FR Roman Catholics calling for a return to the Inquisition.
Cain wanted to worship with a ritual that he made up, although God gave him revelation to guide him in the proper worship.
Man made religion. Man will make up traditions and rituals and ignore what God says. Bad stuff-- it leads to murder.
It's very relevant. People retaliate when given the opportunity.
Granted true Christians shouldn't but human nature being what it is, sometimes over rides that. And if the people involved aren't Christians but in name only, there is nothing to stop them from behaving like that.
Besides, most of what happened during the potato famine was political in nature.
Just for the record, where was the Catholic church in providing relief for its own members?
Quotes from “Mother” Teresa (12/4/89 Time , pp. 11 & 13)
“These people are waiting to die. What are you telling them to prepare them for death and eternity? She replied candidly, ‘We tell them to pray to their Bhagwan, to their gods.’”
She was instructing these staunch Hindus to pray sincerely to their own Hindu idols and she felt that if they did this, God would certainly not judge them! No matter how plausible from man’s earthly vantage point, when good works are conducted by unregenerate religious people, what is promoted is a cursed false gospel, encouraging the lost heathen to have hope in their false gods, even as they lay upon their death beds. In God’s eyes, therefore, the entire endeavor is a cursed one, and no Christian should support, assist, or praise a work cursed by God!
The following is from an interview with a Catholic nun, “Sister” Ann, who worked in Kathmandu, Nepal, with “Mother” Teresa’s organization Missionaries of Charity. The interview was conducted 11/23/84 at the Pashupati Temple.
Q: Do you believe if they die believing in Shiva or in Ram [Hindu gods] they will go to heaven?
A: Yes, that is their faith. My own faith will lead me to God, ... So if they have believed in their god very strongly, if they have faith, surely they will be saved.
Q: Today it does not seem that the Catholic Church is trying to convert anymore. I know that John Paul II is saying now that those of other religions are saved. You do not believe they are lost anyway, right?
A: No, they are not lost. They are saved according to their faith, you know. If they believe whatever they believe, that is their salvatio
“Mother” Teresa could be called both a pantheist and a Universalist— because of this statement, but she could not be called a Christian of any stripe
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What's grown in Ireland today? Do you honestly believe Ireland was less fertile than say...Israel...which has turned desert into plenitude for centuries?
How do people starve when they can fish?
RC apologists apparently don't ask themselves these questions. They just swallow the PR.
Are you pro death penalty?
Don’t you say the same thing about child rapists?
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