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Atheist Hitchens: Prayers 'Touching'
Chicago Sun Times ^ | 8/14/10

Posted on 08/15/2010 4:29:13 PM PDT by marshmallow

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To: marshmallow

I’m sure that one person praying extremely hard for him is his brother, who is a strong Catholic.


41 posted on 08/15/2010 6:27:39 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: chris_bdba
I'm so sorry for your loss---I know it still hurts.

Re:Hitchens, I'm sitting here looking at a couple of photos I have of him and me--taken at one of the many Freeper rallies held in front of the White House, during the Clinton administration. I believe he was there for everyone of them---he truly despised the Clintons and all they stood for.

42 posted on 08/15/2010 6:28:41 PM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "Gun Free Zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: marshmallow
Thank you for reminding me to pray for him again. I hope he is not so proud and stubborn that he resists the closeness and love of the Lord to his dying breath. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks or says, it is between him and God, and nobody even needs to know what he feels in his heart. This is what I pray for even more than a physical healing - a soul healing. Eternity is forever!

I pray that if he is going through therapy, that he is comfortable, he is not in pain and that, if it is God's will, he is healed. But above all, I pray that he will turn his heart back to the faith of his youth, that the Spirit of God reaches to the depths of his soul and draws him back to that simple faith in a God who created and loves him. The one who loved us so much he provided a way for us all to be reconciled to him. "For so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life."

43 posted on 08/15/2010 6:42:18 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: agrace

“He is dearly missed and I can’t wait to see him restored one day.”

You and I have had similar thoughts. The idea of seeing our dear sister in heaven with her faculties restored - or of the schizophrenic brother I know with his sanity restored - makes me tear up. I can barely imagine it, but I can’t wait.

I also want to see Joni on her feet, don’t you? That will be something.


44 posted on 08/15/2010 6:42:59 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero

I want to see joni dancing on THIS side of heaven as well...


45 posted on 08/15/2010 7:13:35 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Sunshine Sister

Amen to that.


46 posted on 08/15/2010 7:23:39 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: fish hawk

Malcolm Muggeridge comes to mind...


47 posted on 08/15/2010 7:36:12 PM PDT by oblomov
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To: Persevero

The idea of Joni on her feet made me smile. :) Dancing! And about my friend Frank - I want to see him standing there and hear this booming voice saying “Well done, my good and faithful servant!” Having done more during his simple life than all of us who knew him. Pretty awesome. I’m so sorry about your brother.

Thanks for responding - I’m going to smile my way to sleep over this exchange tonight.


48 posted on 08/15/2010 7:38:13 PM PDT by agrace
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To: marshmallow
I know that Mr. Hitchens hates Christianity, but so did St. Paul, before he saw the light.

Prayers up for Chris. I hope that one day he will be healthy, happy and evangelizing like no one has for a couple of millennium.

49 posted on 08/15/2010 7:53:28 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (For the record, McCarthy was right.)
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To: fish hawk

‘some of the biggest Atheists who later accepted the Lord, became the best preachers and Christian writers ever’

C. S. Lewis was one of them.


50 posted on 08/15/2010 7:57:45 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: 4rcane

‘I’ll believe it, if I see a miracle myself’

By any chance is your name Thomas?


51 posted on 08/15/2010 8:00:41 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ('“Our own government has become our enemy' - Sheriff Paul Babeu)
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To: mylife
Well, That’s your choice. Hardheaded and an Atheist. Good luck with that.

Why the attitude? I could have said something like "Thickheaded and a believer in magic" or something, but I didn't, I merely presented another view.

Once again, I am puzzled by the antagonism for other views. I've encountered more than my share of idiot, hateful atheists in my day, and plenty of similar believers, but I've never been that way, and I just don't get the need to be instantly insulting just because someone STATES a different opinion. Weird.

52 posted on 08/16/2010 2:34:34 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("Fanaticism is described as redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim."-G. Santayana)
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To: mylife
But for the life of me I can see how such bright people can be blind to the truth. I have seen entire companys of people that cant get their act together, Entire Nations and Kings. But somehow all the wonder in the world and in people hearts just “happened”?

Well, I never said the world just "happened" so I don't know what you're talking about as a reply to my post.

53 posted on 08/16/2010 2:35:37 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("Fanaticism is described as redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim."-G. Santayana)
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To: brytlea

Thank you, that’s very kind.


54 posted on 08/16/2010 2:36:52 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("Fanaticism is described as redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim."-G. Santayana)
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To: Darkwolf377
Believers don't seem to grasp that those of us who don't believe in God actually can be just as sincere in our feelings as those who do

I do believe that. In fact, I have a hunch that God has a special corner of heaven set aside for those who refuse to believe in a vengeful God. I think they must believe that loving God out of fear is not love at all. For those people I pray that they will learn to simply love God for Himself alone--not for what He can give or what punishment He might hand out. Just simple unconditional love, like the love of a parent for his child. This might sound like the opposite of how we traditionally think of God, which is that He is the parent and we are the children. But children are incapable of loving their parents unconditionally. The parents are all powerful to them, so there is the element of fear, expectations, need. We must learn to love God for no reason other than that He is.

55 posted on 08/16/2010 3:00:32 AM PDT by giotto
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To: Darkwolf377
Betraying your beliefs in a moment of weakness is lightening up?

Why would it be *betraying* Hitchens's beliefs if he cried out to the Almighty in a moment of pain?

After all, religion/God is a just a psychological crutch, right? A coping mechanism to deal with meaninglessness, pain and death? So let the man have his crutch, if he needs it.

56 posted on 08/16/2010 3:01:45 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Claud
Why would it be *betraying* Hitchens's beliefs if he cried out to the Almighty in a moment of pain?

Because he doesn't believe in God as anything but a crutch for the weak, as you say below. So if in a moment of weakness he does the opposite of what he believes, that would be betraying his beliefs--just as if in a moment of weakness a believer turning his back on God would be betraying his beliefs.

After all, religion/God is a just a psychological crutch, right? A coping mechanism to deal with meaninglessness, pain and death? So let the man have his crutch, if he needs it.

So by your logic, a believer giving in to a moment of grief and deciding there is no God is just fine. Huh.

57 posted on 08/16/2010 3:15:59 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("Fanaticism is described as redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim."-G. Santayana)
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To: giotto
I do believe that. In fact, I have a hunch that God has a special corner of heaven set aside for those who refuse to believe in a vengeful God. I think they must believe that loving God out of fear is not love at all. For those people I pray that they will learn to simply love God for Himself alone--not for what He can give or what punishment He might hand out. Just simple unconditional love, like the love of a parent for his child. This might sound like the opposite of how we traditionally think of God, which is that He is the parent and we are the children. But children are incapable of loving their parents unconditionally. The parents are all powerful to them, so there is the element of fear, expectations, need. We must learn to love God for no reason other than that He is.

Wow--that's the best post in response to the subject I've ever read here. Well done.

You've summed up some of my feelings about the "vengeful God" idea--I'm with Mark Twain there.

58 posted on 08/16/2010 3:17:43 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("Fanaticism is described as redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim."-G. Santayana)
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To: Darkwolf377

Thank you. I’m not familiar with Twain’s writings on the subject, but I would like to read them. Do you remember which book or essay it was?


59 posted on 08/16/2010 3:24:15 AM PDT by giotto
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To: giotto

http://nogodzone.blogspot.com/2006/06/mark-twain-on-bible-and-religion.html

Not for the easily-offended!


60 posted on 08/16/2010 3:29:59 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("Fanaticism is described as redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim."-G. Santayana)
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