[John Leland 1789]

The (first) heaven, where birds fly; the atmosphere.

The (second) heaven; space.

The (third) heaven, the heaven of heavens; where the Throne of God is.

The division of the heavens is recorded in Genesis chapter one, and can be traced through Scripture.

Earth itself is a part of the first heaven, and the Kingdom of Heaven involves a kindom on earth ruled from the Third Heaven. When God’s will is done on earth (first heaven) as it is in (the third) Heaven, that is the Kingdom of Heaven.

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Exactly. My question to Catholics is simply, which heaven is Mary in right now? If she is, as you believe, seated next to Christ, then she is in the third heaven. Does she travel back and forth between the third heaven and the first heaven, the area that we on earth see? Because that's where the "visions" of Mary occur. She is either traveling back and forth or she is in the earth's first heaven..

Of course, we all know, according to Ephesians 2:2, that SATAN is the prince of the power of the air, which does NOT bode well for Mary also being part of this first heaven...

You cannot have it both ways. Either she is in the third heaven, and what you are seeing in the air above is a manifestation of Satan, or she is in the first heaven, Satan's domain...