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To: trapped_in_LA

No, I am saving that we are all HOLY, or as the evangelicals put it, SAVED, to the extent that we do the will of God. Mary was herself redeemed by serving as the mother of the Lord. As to Mary’s” sin,” please point out where in the Bible she is shown to be a sinner?


163 posted on 08/15/2010 9:57:46 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: RobbyS

“No, I am saving that we are all HOLY, or as the evangelicals put it, SAVED, to the extent that we do the will of God. Mary was herself redeemed by serving as the mother of the Lord.”

OK now you’re saying that it’s a works based salvation? Mary is not saved because Jesus died on the cross for her (and everyone elses) but because she gave birth? And we are not saved unless we are doing the “will of God”? You’ve got it backwards, we do the “will of God” because we are saved, not to be saved.

“As to Mary’s” sin,” please point out where in the Bible she is shown to be a sinner?”

Try Genesis, once Adam fell we all inherited the sin disease since we all all “sons of Adam”, including Mary. Unless you’re also advocating the “immaculate conception” and if you are please show me where in the Word of God that little miracle is detailed since it would be an extremely important topic it should appear in at least two or three different places (as is every other important theological concept). And don’t bother with the church tradition garbage, read the bible and see what Jesus thought of the traditions of the Jews (hint, he wasn’t too pleased with it).

The Catholic church has some good points and doesn’t budge on some of the essentials of the faith (unlike most mainline protestant churches which have strayed so far off the true path the you couldn’t call them Christian any more). However, this obsession with Mary is beyond bizarre and seems more in line with the old Babylonian mystery religion than anything that you’d find in the Bible. Yes she played a key role in the birth of Christ, but she wasn’t some sinless, sexless (yes she did have other children), near-divine woman. She was as human and sinful as we all are. Also, it does not appear that she payed all that significant of a role in the church and if she was as Catholics say she was then where is the evidence in the Bible?


175 posted on 08/15/2010 10:49:02 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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