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caww:

The OT canon that the early CHurch used, and the one that was defined in the late 4th century by the Catholic Church at the various Councils of that time [Rome 382 AD, Hippo 393 AD, Carthage 397 AD], and as the letters of St. Augustine at that same time and Pope Innocent in 405 AD confirm, which is the OT canon of the Catholic and Orthodox Church, does have prayers for the dead (2 Macabees 12:42-46). Christ Resurrection occurrred first, and thus by his paschal mystery, he took Mary up into heaven [i.e. Mary was assumed into heaven by God’ power] and thus what Christ Resurrection accomplished for Mary, is a prefigurement of what happens to all the faithful who die in God’s Grace.

You believe that Mary’s role was just “God findig a woman to give birth to CHrist” and is it over, is your view, but is not the view of the Patristic Tradition of the Early Church Fathers. None of them share your view.


161 posted on 08/15/2010 9:51:58 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: CTrent1564

There are other things that cannot be ignored and must be considered..................

Of note is...... Mary brought a sacrifice of two turtledoves in accord to Jewish law in Leviticus chapter 12. One was for a burnt offering, the other was for a sin offering..........This couldn’t have been for the child Jesus, who was the Holy one, the sinless spotless lamb of God. ......This must have been for her own uncleanness..... Mary’s conformity to the law is an admission she was a sinner needing to be restored by cleansing, only sinners need cleansing.

If Mary ascended to heaven like Jesus, this incredible act of someone raised in a resurrection or never dying would certainly be recorded in Scripture. Yet it is suspiciously omitted from John’s writings, .......the one who she was entrusted to be looked after by Jesus. ............John’s last book the Revelation was written 85-90 A.D...Neither John nor any historian of the early church records this.

This is an unknown doctrinal event that evolved until it was ratified in 1854............... Roman Catholic tradition has made speculation into doctrine with Mary being guarded from actual sin by becoming sinless........This concept was around from about the twelfth century, and was developed into a papal decree of December 8, 1854.................... On November 1, 1950, the bull Munificentissimus Deus declared the dogma of the Assumption of Mary. This dogma asserts “that the Virgin Mary, the Immaculate Mother of God, when the course of her life was finished, was taken up, body and soul, into the glory of heaven” (Acta Apostolicae Sedis, 32 [1950], pp. 753-73). source: Let us reason.


167 posted on 08/15/2010 10:07:31 PM PDT by caww
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