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count your change: not having the the knowledge God has

Mad Dawg: Well, rictly speaking, not having the knowledge the FATHER has

But Father is the only one in the NT identified as God, and the only one prayed to. So, cyc's comment that the Son is a created being, the beginning of the creation of God (Rev 3:14, KJV), goes hand in hand with "the firstborn of every creature" (Col 1:15, KJV).

Furthermore, cyc's argument finds more 'meat' in Jesus' own admissions "the Father is greater than I" (John 14:28) and, again, when Jesus refers to the Father as his God (cf. John 20:17).

Post-Nicene Church busied itself with a blatant alteration of the scriptures in order to "sneak in" evidence of the Triniatrian dogma which equates all three divine Hypostases in essence, as co-equal, co-eternal godliness.

Numerous verses have been altered in various ways for that purpose, such as 1 John 5:7 (the [in]famous Comma Johanneum), 1 Timothy 3:16 (changing he was manifest to God was manifest— an easy although blatant change in slightly different ink), Acts 20:28 (changing the church of God to church of the lord and to church of God and the Lord), John 1:18 (changing only begotten Son to only begotten God), 1 Peter 3:15 (changing Christ to God), etc.

The Father is not begotten. Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of the Father.

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him]. - John 1:18

In Hebrews 1:3, Jesus is called the brightness of the Father's glory. And indeed among all the metaphors used to describe the Trinity, my favorite is an ancient one that fits with that verse.

Namely, that if the Father were the Sun, then Jesus Christ would be the light of the Sun and the Holy Spirit would be the warmth of the Sun.

We see a similar description in Revelation 5. The Father is on the throne (Revelation 4) and Jesus emerges from the midst or bosom of the Father, and the Holy Spirit extends through Him into the world.

And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. – Revelation 5:6

Jesus Christ is the Creator. He is in the beginning.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. – John 1:1-4

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence. For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.– Colossians 1:15-20

Time is part of the Creation, not a property of or restriction on the Creator of it. There was no time or causation before He created it.

Therefore cause>effect, the sense of time passing, an arrow of time, does not apply to the Creator.

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. – Revelation 13:8

Man is not the measure of God.