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To: verdugo
Well regardless of you think... that is what many Catholics practice..just as I stated. For that matter many Protestants do as well....but I mentioned nothing about dependency on Catholic Doctrine though it appears this is also a condition for salvation in your beliefs.

I will say again that God clearly states Salvation is in Christ alone and His finished work on our behalf....and certainly not in the doctrines of any specific church. Rather we become members of His body...His church...with Christ as head over all believers in every branch of Christian community...and the Vatican states that Christians are among those churches other than the Catholic Church alone as well. So adhereing to Catholic doctrine is not a requirement for Salvation...nor being a member of any specific church group....nothing in scripture supports your statement.

I do not support abortion and would find it very difficult to believe a Christian could carry this act through without ship-wreaking their faith. But there are many catholics who believe their reasons for allowing abortion does not exclude them from being a Christian regardless of catholic doctrine.

The evidence of being a Christian comes as the individual grows in the Grace and Knowledge of Christ....just as children make foolish decisions so too young Christians do as well...and they learn as they go until maturity in Christ. It is a lifetime of growth and allowing more and more of our life to reflect Christ as we yield those areas He chooses to change... to conform us to His image. But generally when one becomes a Christan there is evidence of changes in their life...but not always visible.

I see you likely adhere to what Rome teaches you should adhere to but there are many catholics who do not adhere to Rome. That is just reality.

278 posted on 08/15/2010 7:07:51 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww
re: but I mentioned nothing about dependency on Catholic Doctrine though it appears this is also a condition for salvation in your beliefs.

Your beliefs are unique to you, as Protestantism has no beliefs that require adherence, each Protestant invents his own church of one. That is not the case with Catholics. The Catholic Church has doctrines that are unchangeable, and a Catholic MUST believe them, or he is not a Catholic. PERIOD. A Protestant can call themselves a Christian in a state of grace with a direct line to the Holy Ghost, even if they don't believe Christ is God. A Catholic is a heretic if he denies one dogma. A Catholic who dies with one mortal sin (heresy is a mortal sin, goes to hell.

Protestantism is like a body care system that teaches that one must eat and exercise to live better. But they leave it up to the person to figure out the rest.

Catholicism tells you that you must eat good food, what foods to eat, and in what quantities, and what foods MUST NEVER be eaten. It says that you must exercise, how much to exercise, and exactly what exercises to do, and which you MUST never do. And if you don't follow the most important teachings which are vital to your survival, you are no longer a Catholic.

re: I will say again that God clearly states Salvation is in Christ alone and His finished work on our behalf....

Like it or not, the reality is that is just your one person opinion.

“There are as many sects now and beliefs as there are heads. This fellow has nothing to do with baptism. Another one denies the sacraments. A third believes there is another world between this one and the last day. Some teach that Christ is not God. Some say this, some say that. There is no rustic so rude that if he dreams or fancies anything believes it must be the whisper of the Holy Spirit and that he himself must be a prophet.” (Martin Luther)

281 posted on 08/15/2010 2:30:18 PM PDT by verdugo
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