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To: verdugo
I see nothing in God's word that marriage nor birth control is evidence of one being a Christian or not. Rather a real Christian will evidence the fruit of His Spirit, additionally will believe that Christ's death, burial and resurrection paid the price for their sins when they come to Him. Our salvation as Christians is not dependent on marriage nor birth control....but on Christ's finished work alone.

You can certainly claim Catholics are one....but there is way more than a few in your memberships and churches which evidences otherwise....Thinking and saying you are one is very different than actually being one.

But I will say all who are Christians...in Christ Jesus...are one in the body of Christ just as it is written...no matter the church they attend... which even the catholic church agrees this is so.

Most all Catholics....these threads the exception... I have encountered definitely think a woman has the right to her own body and that to select abortion...as well as divorce and re-marriage. In fact those I have spoken with attend mass and church functions but do not believe their life choices are dependent on what Rome says...let alone the Bible. That is not to say there aren't Christians in the Catholic church for I do believe very well that there are. But my experiences with many is as stated here.

275 posted on 08/14/2010 5:11:03 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
Anyone that thinks that, as you say"a woman has the right to her own body and that to select abortion...as well as divorce and re-marriage and " do not believe their life choices are dependent on Catholic doctrine...let alone the Bible", are Christians in name only.

re: I see nothing in God's word that marriage nor birth control is evidence of one being a Christian or not. Rather a real Christian will evidence the fruit of His Spirit

The evidence of the Holy Spirit IS THAT THEY REMAIN MARRIED FOR LIFE AND HAVE ALL THE CHILDREN GOD SENDS THEM (not use birth control). If you think other wise, that you can divorce and use birth control, you are just fooling yourself, you are no Christian. There are FEW in this world.

There is much more involved in becoming a son of God than just “receiving Christ”. Remember that the 5 foolish virgins low on oil (Mat 25:1-13), the man who buried the one talent (Mat 25:14-30), the man without the wedding garment (Mat 22:2-14), and the many, that will say Lord, Lord (Mat 7:22), all made an effort, and still were all thrown to hell.

“And if the just man shall scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?” (1Peter 4:18)

Salvation is not a simple matter. Christ said that few will find it (Mat 7:14)

By their deeds you shall know them, if they are married for life and have not used contraceptives, they Christians, if not, they are false Christians on the road to perdition.

276 posted on 08/15/2010 2:33:40 AM PDT by verdugo
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