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To: armydoc

I read every word and don’t read anywhere that non-Catholics can be saved, it does not say it. In stereotypical Vatican II language, it might sound like it says it to some people who want to hear that it says it, but it does not say it. IT CAN’T SAY IT. It is a dogma of the Church that EENS. There is no contrary dogma. There can’t be.


270 posted on 08/14/2010 2:59:11 PM PDT by verdugo
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To: verdugo

Holy bejesus...I’m doomed...the Katlicks say I can’t be saved...but of course I have a lot of company....


271 posted on 08/14/2010 3:06:49 PM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver ("To be born into freedom is an accident; to die in freedom is an obligation..)
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To: verdugo
I read every word and don’t read anywhere that non-Catholics can be saved, it does not say it. In stereotypical Vatican II language, it might sound like it says it to some people who want to hear that it says it, but it does not say it. IT CAN’T SAY IT. It is a dogma of the Church that EENS. There is no contrary dogma. There can’t be.

I have bolded the relevant parts to help you out:

But even in spite of them it remains true that all who have been justified by faith in Baptism are members of Christ's body,(21) and have a right to be called Christian, and so are correctly accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church.(22)

All of these, which come from Christ and lead back to Christ, belong by right to the one Church of Christ.

These liturgical actions must be regarded as capable of giving access to the community of salvation.

For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Church.

As far as your take of EENS, the Catholic Encyclopedia explains it as follows:

The doctrine is summed up in the phrase, Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus. This saying has been the occasion of so many objections that some consideration of its meaning seems desirable. It certainly does not mean that none can be saved except those who are in visible communion with the Church. The Catholic Church has ever taught that nothing else is needed to obtain justification than an act of perfect charity and of contrition. Whoever, under the impulse of actual grace, elicits these acts receives immediately the gift of sanctifying grace, and is numbered among the children of God. Should he die in these dispositions, he will assuredly attain heaven. It is true such acts could not possibly be elicited by one who was aware that God has commanded all to join the Church, and who nevertheless should willfully remain outside her fold. For love of God carries with it the practical desire to fulfill His commandments. But of those who die without visible communion with the Church, not all are guilty of willful disobedience to God's commands. Many are kept from the Church by ignorance. Such may be the case of numbers among those who have been brought up in heresy. To others the external means of grace may be unattainable. Thus an excommunicated person may have no opportunity of seeking reconciliation at the last, and yet may repair his faults by inward acts of contrition and charity.
272 posted on 08/14/2010 3:49:35 PM PDT by armydoc
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