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Cumorah.com ^ | David Stewart

Posted on 08/11/2010 10:43:46 AM PDT by greyfoxx39

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To: svcw

When another poster raises Hitler or Nazis in the debate, you can declare a “win” under Godwin’s Law. By internet custom, it is considered a last resort.


181 posted on 08/14/2010 9:04:26 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

Hello bias RM you let all these making it personal post stay I got your number!


182 posted on 08/14/2010 9:08:00 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu; Religion Moderator

So Rm take down post 180 R read that’s all I wanted.


183 posted on 08/14/2010 9:11:46 PM PDT by svcw (It's not the situation that matters, it's the attitude toward the situation that matters.)
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To: BlueMoose

ping 181


184 posted on 08/14/2010 9:12:23 PM PDT by svcw (It's not the situation that matters, it's the attitude toward the situation that matters.)
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To: BlueMoose; Religion Moderator; holdonnow; Reno232; Paragon Defender

As I read this thread it is all bias as well as this evening RM!

My post # 176 was delete because I said this behavior is just like the bigots in pass histroy towards other faiths and races and it is no different.

There is no one race or religion that is 100% hateful or radical if it was that easy to identify Our military could just bomb the whole nation and be out of there.

The only reason the LDS are used as puncning bag around here is because FR allows it, if it takes trashing a religion because the comtempt for a political foe who is of the same faith so be it!


185 posted on 08/14/2010 9:29:20 PM PDT by restornu
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To: restornu
Your post was pulled because it was inflammatory, equating the antis with racists.

You are too thin-skinned to be posting to this thread, leave now.

186 posted on 08/14/2010 9:33:57 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: ejonesie22

Do not post to someone who has been instructed to leave the thread.


188 posted on 08/14/2010 9:49:27 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator
I had missed that, sorry, I replied from my comments.
189 posted on 08/14/2010 10:21:43 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: BlueMoose
LOL...

Wow, when you stoop to Hitler references, you loose.

Desperation is palpable...

190 posted on 08/14/2010 10:25:52 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: Religion Moderator

Indeed.


191 posted on 08/14/2010 10:27:39 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: ejonesie22

“But your buddies at Cumhorah.com are part of the ONE TRUE CHURCH.

So why the disagreement?”

Probably for the same reason that Peter & Paul had disagreements in the “ONE TRUE CHURCH” back then. It’s not rocket science EJ


192 posted on 08/15/2010 12:01:51 AM PDT by Reno232
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To: SZonian

First of all, congrats on the future hike to Mt. Whitney w/ your kid. What a great opportunity, a memory that will undoubtedly last a lifetime. Chapeau.

Now, I always find it fascinating when folks who don’t believe in modern day revelation, who believe the heavens are closed, who basically have nothing but opinion, bash us for having opinions as well. It is true that we believe in revelation, as in days of old. But as in days of old, man is not commanded in ALL things. Obviously, the apostles Peter & Paul weren’t commanded in all things which led to disagreements among them. It happened then, it happens now, & undoubtedly will happen in the future.

We’ve never claimed to be a church solely based on revelation, albeit it plays a big part in our beliefs. IIRC you were a member. You don’t know this?

How do we know what’s revelation & what’s opinion? Again, you should know (maybe you never had a good understanding of the church in the first place), but here’s a couple general rules of thumb, albeit not the only things to take into consideration:

If the prophet basically states “thus sayeth the Lord” you’re pretty good to go. Also, statements & revelations that are canonized. Of course, personal revelation can play a part as well, but those are the general rules of thumb. Hopefully that clears things up for you.

We have never claimed that members of the church, or the brethren for that matter, can’t or won’t have opinions, or that those opinions are infallible. No bait & switch, just an apparent lack of understanding on your part. How long were you a member of the church?

I’m not sure what the big deal about church leaders having opinions is all about. Due to the lack of revelation in the rest of Christianity, opinion is what you folks are all about. With all the various interpretations, some of those religious opinions have caused quite the ruckus at times. Ever heard of the Inquisition, the Crusades? Difference of religious opinion still stirs violent actions today in places like Ireland, etc.

Martin Luther, one of the fore runners of the Protestant movement even had some interesting opinions about polygamy. Imagine that!

Thanks for the best wishes for a safe trip. It was, & a successful one at that. Have a great Sabbath.


193 posted on 08/15/2010 12:33:11 AM PDT by Reno232
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To: Tennessee Nana
“I believe myself that Mahomed, whom the Christians deride and call a false prophet and stigmatize with a great many epithets — I believe that he was a man raised up by the Almighty"

--LDS Apostle George Q. Cannon

194 posted on 08/15/2010 4:43:09 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: Colofornian
 
BTW, Cannon was a "first counselor" [one of the three highest positions in Lds hierarchy] to four Lds "prophets" -- a "record" not matched by anybody. He was hardly a "nobody" by Mormon standards.
 
Ha!
He is NOW!!!



In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.


1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6.
The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)

 


 Note: ETB is a dead prophet now, so the above is likely to be dismissed...


195 posted on 08/15/2010 4:48:11 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: Osage Orange
The problem for the mormons...is they have prophets on record...saying nutty, racist, crazy stuff.

 
Like THIS??
 



 

"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.



Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

  2 Nephi 5: 21    'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

  Alma 3: 6    'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'



 

August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)



 1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."



We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.



Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).



When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."



When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)



196 posted on 08/15/2010 4:52:56 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: ansel12
 
I saw a video of Mormons being trained in the art of Al-Takeyya, the elite, well trained door to door salesmen of Mormonism may not be the best source for truth on Mormonism.
 
 
Oh???


 
 
Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

 
 
Timeline...    Subject...
 
0:59            "Anti-Mormons..."
1:16            "ATTACK the faith you have..."
2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."
3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."

197 posted on 08/15/2010 4:55:26 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: Tennessee Nana
Greyfoxx is only repeating what a mormon missionary has written...

But; Nana, you KNOW that when it is REPEATED by a Hateful, Bigoted ANTI - it becomes TWISTED and DECEPTIVE!

198 posted on 08/15/2010 4:56:49 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: BlueMoose
He attacked idolatry, and restored the great and crowning idea that there is but one God.

That, unlike MORMONism's teachings, had NO physical body instead of TWO!

199 posted on 08/15/2010 4:58:45 AM PDT by Elsie
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To: Reno232
But this is more than a minor disagreement, this is open support for the Islam cult....

Anyways, you guys lost (again) with the Hitler reference and really lost trying to wiggle around the Muslim support and deflect away from it with trying to argue that which was already establish rather than simply come out and post a simple “this is wrong” as your very first posting should have said. Life would be easier if the excuses and automatic spin went away and the facts were met head on.

It's not rocket science....

Of course the facts would have to be there...

Then not only would it be not be rocket science, but it would be archeology and genetics on your side among other things...

200 posted on 08/15/2010 5:01:37 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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