Posted on 08/07/2010 8:36:45 PM PDT by TwoLegsGood
“The latter argument is interesting: God is supposed to own the soul and it is a gift (in Jewish writings, a deposit) to the individual.”
What the hell kind of “gift” is this?! I never asked for it and sure as hell don’t want it! Life is nothing but a festering cesspool of cruelty and evil. There is no grand purpose, no beauty, no goodness, and no hope for the future. People cannot be aided or saved. There is no heaven. God is not in charge and most likely doesn’t exist.
The only reason I stick around is out of a completely irrational sense of duty. If I cease to be useful, suicide will be performed immediately.
“Looking kindly on them is a masterpiece of understatement, He loved them so much, He gave His only Son for them. Suicide is the most extreme act of selfishness and self-centeredness one can commit.”
Once you get to the point of total despair, selfishness/unselfishness, honor/dishonor, love/indifference all become completely meaningless. There is no hope and everyone who loved you is doomed anyway so you don’t even regard what will happen to them. You go into a “suicidal trance”. Death is like eating breakfast in the morning. It becomes that simple and ‘natural’.
“A very permanant solution to a temporary problem.”
Depression is often untreatable and lasts a lifetime. Ignore the “experts”.
“That may be a good excuse, but it won’t satisfy God. Not after He went to the extreme to provide the ulitimate remedy for any and all mental anguish or deep depression. I have first hand knowledge on this my ex-wife was bi-polar.”
I’m happy for your wife but what about the people God DOESN’T help?
What about those who wish to believe but were never able to then the despair becomes so horrible that they commit suicide? Do they still go to hell?
Your post makes me feel the same way I feel when I listen to Billie Holiday strung out.
There is a God. There is potential for good. There is goodness on this earth. Haven’t you ever been in love?
Open your mind to the possibility that there might be a good God who has given men free will but “will not strive with flesh forever” meaning, the loving God will become a God of justice and He will judge us all fairly but with power.
Other than that, try to read Dale Carnegie’s book on Lincoln, called Lincoln The Unknown, 1931
It’s a chronicle of Lincoln’s suicidal depression.
It inspired Carnegie to start up his very popular ‘How to win friends and influence people’ series. I somehow took heart in my own times of darkness when I saw a man like Lincoln, broken.
God basically tells us that “the more wisdom one has, the more sorrow.”
I think in Ecclesiastes.
The reason for this is because when we have wisdom about the world, about human nature, about our own potential for sin and utter selfishness, the more we have a potential for sorrow.
For me, my true consolation is to love the people God puts in my life (because giving love away is the way to feel love) and to remember that no matter how I feel, or how dark it is, that there is a God who has suffered the same things I have, and who gets it all. God does get it, soothesayer. He gets why we do the dumb things we do, every hair on our head is counted. He loves us. He does not want us suffering under anxiety, depression but wants us to be as brave as we can to face life, trusting that He has equipped us and will ‘never try us beyond our strength”.
That's what I believe. It's in the Bible. Ultimately it is what Lincoln came to believe, too.
No have no room for love.
Yes you do. Otherwise you wouldn’t be typing now, slightly reaching out.
Amazing to me that you would claim to know the mind of God and assume that He was without mercy for all suicides.
Not after He went to the extreme to provide the ulitimate remedy for any and all mental anguish or deep depression.
Which one in the throes of deep depression or mental illness is often incapable of accepting, BECAUSE HE/SHE IS MENTALLY ILL.
I have first hand knowledge on this my ex-wife was bi-polar.
That would be secondhand knowledge. You were not inside her head, nor can anyone who has not been mentally ill presume to fully understand the distorted thought processes.
Not so amazing, read the Word, God has revealed Himself to any who care to know Him and what He thinks. Here is something He reveals about Himself:
"The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."
Now, the question might be how many of those who commit suicide, have the spiritual fruit of joy and peace? If they dont have this fruit, they dont have the Spirit of God, and if they dont have the Spirit of God, they dont know Him.
Which one in the throes of deep depression or mental illness is often incapable of accepting, BECAUSE HE/SHE IS MENTALLY ILL.
Classic! Psychology provides phony excuses for incompetence, rebellion and sin. No one is guilty; everyone is a victim. The heart is not evil; low self-esteem is the problem. Sin has become "mental illness" requiring not repentance but therapy.
8^] If God is all powerful, why can’t he make a rock so heavy that He Himself can’t lift it? Even if he wanted to believe he could but became so distressed over the paradox that it sapped all his strength? And what’s up with wildebeest having such big shoulders and such narrow hips? There’s a million of ‘em. Wildebeests, that is...
There are many who profess to be Christian now, but the fact that they are not comes out when they refuse to admit that Jesus is the Christ. This is self evident.
The point I am trying to make is that I believe, which does not necessarily mean it is the truth, that one could truly be an undenying Christian but be so out of whack with this bipolar problem that they would commit suicide in spite of the fact that they know the Hope of everlasting life through Jesus. Doesn’t mean I don’t think it to be selfish.
I know I could be wrong because we are told that we will face no temptation that we cannot withstand if we only would rely on His strength.
Well, alright. My witness of experiences says different, but I understand your point of view.
No, better to just say we agree to disagree. :)
And possibly without the therapy, which the state should pay for, you may become suicidal! I getcha, and mostly agree. Good evening FRiend.
If you think bipolar is another word for extreme self-centeredness, you are so incredibly ignorant that having a discussion with you is not worth another second of my time. Have a nice day.
Your problem is you dont discuss, you attack, call names, and belittle anyone with a different point of view, to try to get them to shut-up. It is because of people like you, that our once Great Country is in the mess it is in now.
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