That is a falsehood, a plain and simple falsehood.
You may remember that not only did I answer it, but when I answered it I said if you repeated that charge again, I would call you a liar.
Well, to do that would be to violate RF rules, and I don't want this post deleted. So I will say this. Evidently some on this forum not only omit the careful inquiry into the truth but deliberately and with malice present falsehoods with what might seem to be the intent of winning the conversation at any cost.
Some have told me that they consider that some on your side are demon possessed. Up until now I did not entertain that thought seriously.
Now I entertain it.
Seriously. count-your-change just posted a manipulated quote from the Athanasian Creed to make a point he could have made better without (inadvertently no doubt) being party to a falsehood. Νοw here is the repeated and baseless charge that your questions about transubstantiation have not been addressed.
We are all ignorant. We all make mistakes. We all sin. But the perversion of discourse to score cheap and phony victories is a grave and troubling thing.
You call it “a manipulated quote”, an accusation without evidence of such even being suggested. And according to the rules I really don’t have to please YOU in a reply, tough but that’s life.
Alrighty then, I went back through your posting history and found your response.
So, basically, you’re saying what it IS isn’t what it looks like. The problem is, that since the Catholics insist that it is the literal body and blood of Christ, to take it literally, one would expect to see bloody, raw flesh.
If one sees a white wafer instead, then one can logically conclude that it’s merely symbolic.
I understand the Catholic’s defense of transubstantiation. If they believe that they must physically partake of the literal body and blood of Christ in order to be saved, then they have to believe it. Their salvation depends upon it, even demands it.
However, since Jesus said the flesh counts for nothing, and it’s not what goes into a man which makes the difference, then eating the Eucharist is going to do nothing.
What matters is the heart and will and the choice one makes, not what rules and regs one follows. But just like keeping the Jewish Law was not the means of salvation in the OT, keeping a new replacement law isn’t going to help one earn salvation now either. If righteousness could be gained through the Law, Christ died for nothing.
The Catholic church has replaced the Jewish Law with their own; which is a big draw for people who feel like they must DO something works-wise to earn God’s favor and approval and hence their salvation.
Scripture is clear that salvation is a gift. What we earn for our deeds is death, for the wages of sin is death. One doesn’t work to earn a gift, one just has to accept it.
Keeping a symbolic ceremony is a way of keeping the death and resurrection of Christ before us and helping us to remember that He is coming again.
Catholics sure have gotten free with the charges of being satanic and demon possessed lately, just for disagreeing with Catholic doctrine and showing that the Catholic church does teach what we know it does.
I’ve posted links from the Catechism of the Catholic church from vatican.va itself. I know that Catholics don’t like it, but those links and quotes do back up what I and other non-Catholics have been saying about Catholic church teaching.
I don’t see how that should earn the invective of *demon possessed*.
If you have problems with what the Catholic church says in its catechism, that’s not my doing. I didn’t write it.